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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 8:38 pm 
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Sa mga professional musicians, ano ang opinion nyo sa ganitong kaso?

May nakuha kang Christmas Party gig. Ang offer na budget ay 10k package para sa isang band.
Pero di pwede yung band mo since may nauna na kayong kinontrata.
So pinasa mo sa kakilala mong band na available.
Although hindi ka naman booker, nangomisyon ka. Sinabi mo dun sa banda na 1k per head ang tf (talent fee). So around P6k - P7k ang makukuha nila.
Pumayag sila. (take note - pumayag sila). Pero 'di mo sinabi yung real price ng gig.
Then later on, they discovered na 10k pala yung budget ng gig. Medyo ikinasama ng loob nila yon.
May karapatan ba silang magalit? May karapatan ba silang i-accuse ka ng panloloko?

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 8:46 pm 
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10cc wrote:
Sa mga professional musicians, ano ang opinion nyo sa ganitong kaso?

May nakuha kang Christmas Party gig. Ang offer na budget ay 10k package para sa isang band.
Pero di pwede yung band mo since may nauna na kayong kinontrata.
So pinasa mo sa kakilala mong band na available.
Although hindi ka naman booker, nangomisyon ka. Sinabi mo dun sa banda na 1k per head ang tf (talent fee). So around P6k - P7k ang makukuha nila.
Pumayag sila. (take note - pumayag sila). Pero 'di mo sinabi yung real price ng gig.
Then later on, they discovered na 10k pala yung budget ng gig. Medyo ikinasama ng loob nila yon.
May karapatan ba silang magalit? May karapatan ba silang i-accuse ka ng panloloko?



wala. pero depende sa manner or handling ng pagkakasabi mo yan.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 8:47 pm 
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Wala. Binigyan mo sila ng trabaho!


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:22 pm 
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dami na akong napapanood about this kind of issues, kaya sagot ko ay wala b/c between you and yugn pinagbigyan mo ng pera ay meron verbal contract before they render their services. it means pumayag sila sa contract mo. kung nalaman nila after their service , yung real price ay wala na silang pakiaalam dun,magalit sila kung magalit. nasa tama ka.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:46 pm 
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Sabi naman ng iba, dapat hindi na nangongomisyon. Kasi pare-pareho naman daw musikero. Nagtutulungan na lang daw dapat.
Opinion yan ng ibang hindi nakakaunawa.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 10:08 pm 
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kung kaibigan mo yung banda dapat sinabi mo na pre sa simula pa lang, 20 to 30% commission parang standard lang naman yun, pero mas magandang goodwill kung wala ka nang komisyon dahil mga tropa mo naman at babalik din sa yo yung mga pabor na ganyan.

pero kung kakilala mo lang, sabihin mo mga ingrato sila, binigyan mo na nga ng trabaho tapos pati suweldo nanghihingi pa rin? :lol: tapos duraan mo sa pagmumukha


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 11:06 pm 
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Kung di mo sila rinefer. Php 0.00 pera nila. Pero dapat ganito nangyari:

1st kasunduan (b/w ikaw at nung nagbigay ng gig):
a. Php 10,000 budget
b. Since meron kang ibang gig, pag ibinigay mo sa iba, nasa inyo na ang desisyon ng hatian, pero inform mo parin yung nagbigay ng gig na may kukunin kang porsyento. Kasi kapag nagkataon na di ulit kayo available at nagpapahanap uli siya sa iyo, alam niyang di mo gogoyohin yung irerefer mo.

2nd kasunduan (b/w ikaw at pinagpasahan mo)
a. Pagusapan niyo nang malinaw na 10k ang totoong budget pero mapupunta sa iyo ang 3-4k
b. Pag ok na usapan, may tugtugan na.

Lesson: Maging transparent parin lahat ng parties involved sa mga ganyan. Di mo masisisi pinagpasahan mo pag ganun inisip nila.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 11:25 pm 
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It's all just a matter of transparency.

Ikaw ang contact, ang middle man, ang source of information ng instant income. In short, The Manager by default who deserves a part of their earnings.
It should be clear from the very start na bibigyan mo sila ng raket because of your connections. Pag sumablay sila, ikaw ang masisira. Pag 'di sila dumating, ikaw ang mawawalan ng contact.

Marami nang banda ang nagkawatak-watak dahil sa pera. Mas marami pang mawawasak na pagkakaibigan dahil pa rin sa pera. :drinking:


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:00 am 
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PacCute wrote:
It's all just a matter of transparency.

Ikaw ang contact, ang middle man, ang source of information ng instant income. In short, The Manager by default who deserves a part of their earnings.
It should be clear from the very start na bibigyan mo sila ng raket because of your connections. Pag sumablay sila, ikaw ang masisira. Pag 'di sila dumating, ikaw ang mawawalan ng contact.

Marami nang banda ang nagkawatak-watak dahil sa pera. Mas marami pang mawawasak na pagkakaibigan dahil pa rin sa pera. :drinking:




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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:13 am 
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10cc wrote:
Sa mga professional musicians, ano ang opinion nyo sa ganitong kaso?

May nakuha kang Christmas Party gig. Ang offer na budget ay 10k package para sa isang band.
Pero di pwede yung band mo since may nauna na kayong kinontrata.
So pinasa mo sa kakilala mong band na available.
Although hindi ka naman booker, nangomisyon ka. Sinabi mo dun sa banda na 1k per head ang tf (talent fee). So around P6k - P7k ang makukuha nila.
Pumayag sila. (take note - pumayag sila). Pero 'di mo sinabi yung real price ng gig.
Then later on, they discovered na 10k pala yung budget ng gig. Medyo ikinasama ng loob nila yon.
May karapatan ba silang magalit? May karapatan ba silang i-accuse ka ng panloloko?


the morale of the story: always put everything in writing.
Written contracts even if it is just handwritten promissory notes are admitted in court.
Kaya ngayon ayan sa puso't isipan ng mga kaibigan mong banda swapang ka.
Just explain to them that there was a 30% upfront finder's fee.
If you're not gonna take it out magiging precedence yan sa mga susunod na gig.
And you have to tell them that if they've done that to you and/or your band it is completely fine.
You would expect that they take 20-30% finder's fee too. (palusot na pero that's the best you can do)

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:28 am 
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PacCute wrote:
It's all just a matter of transparency.

Ikaw ang contact, ang middle man, ang source of information ng instant income. In short, The Manager by default who deserves a part of their earnings.
It should be clear from the very start na bibigyan mo sila ng raket because of your connections. Pag sumablay sila, ikaw ang masisira. Pag 'di sila dumating, ikaw ang mawawalan ng contact.

Marami nang banda ang nagkawatak-watak dahil sa pera. Mas marami pang mawawasak na pagkakaibigan dahil pa rin sa pera. :drinking:

para sa akin di na kelangan ang transparency between middleman and the band, kung saan galling ang ipapasweldo ng middleman. hindi na kelangan ng banda kung saan mangagaling yung pera basta nag usap at nag ayus ng contrata at bayaran after services then tapos na ang usapan. kelangan isekreto ng middleman kc that's what u called bisness.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:33 am 
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I appreciate all the nice comments above. But i would like to clarify that the TS or me :mrgreen: is not the subject of the story. But this is a true story. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:37 am 
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I think la naman problema doon, as long na bayad sila at dimo sila niloko, as a band member automatic na un, labas na sila sa usapan nyo, ung 3K ba na komisyon napunta sa banda mo o isang tao lng? Anyway, cguro much better next time na tranparent usapan tulad ng suggestion ng ibang Paclanders. Pero one thing is for sure, dimo sila niloko kasi bayad sila sa trabaho nila.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:39 am 
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normal siguro magdamdam yung banda, lumabas kasi na parang na isahan sila. pero kung i-explain mo ng mabuti, siguro maaayos din naman ang lahat. tapos sa susunod wag mo na sa kanila ibigay yung mga susunod na gigs. para wala ng samaan ng loob.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 1:09 am 
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10cc wrote:
Sa mga professional musicians, ano ang opinion nyo sa ganitong kaso?

May nakuha kang Christmas Party gig. Ang offer na budget ay 10k package para sa isang band.
Pero di pwede yung band mo since may nauna na kayong kinontrata.
So pinasa mo sa kakilala mong band na available.
Although hindi ka naman booker, nangomisyon ka. Sinabi mo dun sa banda na 1k per head ang tf (talent fee). So around P6k - P7k ang makukuha nila.
Pumayag sila. (take note - pumayag sila). Pero 'di mo sinabi yung real price ng gig.
Then later on, they discovered na 10k pala yung budget ng gig. Medyo ikinasama ng loob nila yon.
May karapatan ba silang magalit? May karapatan ba silang i-accuse ka ng panloloko?



Magalit? mayroon...kasi dapat sinabi mo at di naman secret dapat
Magreklamo? Wala..kasi tinulungan mo pa..

Lesson?
Pag kaibigan mo kinaltasan mo...magagalit
Pag business friend lng kinaltasan mo..ok lng!

Cguro Friend mo yun band..tapos nasaktan kasi...imbes na tulungan mo w/o fees
kinaltasan mo pa w/o asking permission 1st..

Maybe.. 8)


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