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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:26 am 
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The case has way too many loopholes. Paco Larranaga and company, I think, are really innocent.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:56 am 
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Nakikita ko sa Youtube mga videos ni Paco. May documentary yata siya "Give Up Tomorrow". Sino sa palagay mo ang may gawa at nagframe sa kanya?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:04 am 
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IceColdBeer wrote:
Nakikita ko sa Youtube mga videos ni Paco. May documentary yata siya "Give Up Tomorrow". Sino sa palagay mo ang may gawa at nagframe sa kanya?


The one thing I remember about this case was when the judge did not permit a DNA test, which would have been crucial.

I was still in college at that time.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:09 am 
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theDon wrote:
IceColdBeer wrote:
Nakikita ko sa Youtube mga videos ni Paco. May documentary yata siya "Give Up Tomorrow". Sino sa palagay mo ang may gawa at nagframe sa kanya?


The one thing I remember about this case was when the judge did not permit a DNA test, which would have been crucial.

I was still in college at that time.

Oo nga hindi daw pinayagan tapos hindi din maidentify ng nanay yung isang body na nakita. May video pa daw na dinadalaw ng nanay nung Chiong sa kulungan yung isang witness at kasama sa crime at dinadalhan ng cake at mga damit? :shock: :shock:

Yung judge daw diyan nagpakamatay later.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:33 pm 
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May kinalaman ba ito sa 1998 Elections?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:16 pm 
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Sa kasong kidnapping, hindi importante kung natagpuang buhay o patay ang biktima. Ang kailangan lang i-prove ng prosecution ay yung fact na na kidnap yung biktima, at ang suspects ang may kagagawan. Pwede eyewitness sa nangyari like Rusia, or pwede witnesses na nakita sina paco na kasama sina chiong noong araw ng july 16, 1997 (im kindergarten that time).

Ang kinaso kina paco ay kidnapping with homicide which is punishable by death that time.
Accdg to RTC judge, napatunayan yung kidnapping pero hindi yung pagpatay dahil (1) di sigurado sa identity ng nakuhang bangkay. Kaya posibleng di yun isa sa chiong sisters. Wala din dna test na ginawa. Kaya ang bumaba ang sentensya kay paco to double life imprisonment dahil kidnapping lang ang na prove beyond reasonable doubt.

Read the full text of SC decision kung saan nila ibinase ang decision para maliwanagan. Dont be fooled by documentaries at halata namang one-sided.

Even the king of spain believes that paco is guilty kaya nya ni require ng plea of guilt before he will be given freedom in spain

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:35 pm 
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Ang problema diyan torni, nasa manila daw si paco that time at nagaaral ng culinary at madaming witnesses na mga classmates at teachers. Then yung bangkay hindi daw maconfirm ng nanay at nung irequest nung side na accused na ipa DNA test eh tinurndown ng judge at nasite for contempt pa yata yung abogado. Madami pang mga irregularities at kinonek pa nga kay peter lim dahil dating tauhan daw yung tatay ng magkapatid na Chiong.

Yan eh napanood ko lang mga tidbits sa youtube. :biglaugh:

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I watched the documentary. Nakakaloka si Misis Chiong. :lol:

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Panay ba bungisngis? :biglaugh:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:24 pm 
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IceColdBeer wrote:
Ang problema diyan torni, nasa manila daw si paco that time at nagaaral ng culinary at madaming witnesses na mga classmates at teachers. Then yung bangkay hindi daw maconfirm ng nanay at nung irequest nung side na accused na ipa DNA test eh tinurndown ng judge at nasite for contempt pa yata yung abogado. Madami pang mga irregularities at kinonek pa nga kay peter lim dahil dating tauhan daw yung tatay ng magkapatid na Chiong.

Yan eh napanood ko lang mga tidbits sa youtube. :biglaugh:


Nasa criminal law pre na alibi is the weakest form of defense. Dont get me wrong, wala akong pinapanigan. Just an objective observation.

For an alibi to be appreciated by the court, there should be a clear and convinving proof that the accused could not be on the place of the crime when it happened. Sabi nung titser ni paco, nag take sya ng exams. Sabi nung kaklase, after ng exam on july 16, lumabas ang tropa at inumaga na ng uwi. Sabi naman ng guard sa condo, nakita nya si paco nung gabi ng july 16. Sa guards logbook, may entry dun na 10:15 pm umuwi si paco sa condo unit nya. Nx entry is 10:05 pm may ibang tenants na pumasok. Nauna pa yung 10:15 sa 10:05.

Pag ganyang depensa, weakest form na nga, dagdagan mo pa ng inconsistencies, sa appreciation ng judge nyan, me nagsisinungaling dito. At delikado dyan ang akysado dahil ang burden of producing evidence na wala sya sa cebu ay nakaatang sa kanya. Pag di nya na overcome yang presumption, the judge will likely rely sa witness ng prosecution na nakita nya diumano si paco sa cebu that time.

The lawyyers can always file a case before the CA or SC to file a motion to suspend trial, or petition to said courts on the perceived abuse of discretion by judge at any stage of proceedings.

Powerful din kasi ang media. Who knows, mga less than 10% lang ng katotohanan ang andun sa documentary

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:04 pm 
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Romy Nabas wrote:
IceColdBeer wrote:
Ang problema diyan torni, nasa manila daw si paco that time at nagaaral ng culinary at madaming witnesses na mga classmates at teachers. Then yung bangkay hindi daw maconfirm ng nanay at nung irequest nung side na accused na ipa DNA test eh tinurndown ng judge at nasite for contempt pa yata yung abogado. Madami pang mga irregularities at kinonek pa nga kay peter lim dahil dating tauhan daw yung tatay ng magkapatid na Chiong.

Yan eh napanood ko lang mga tidbits sa youtube. :biglaugh:


Nasa criminal law pre na alibi is the weakest form of defense. Dont get me wrong, wala akong pinapanigan. Just an objective observation.

For an alibi to be appreciated by the court, there should be a clear and convinving proof that the accused could not be on the place of the crime when it happened. Sabi nung titser ni paco, nag take sya ng exams. Sabi nung kaklase, after ng exam on july 16, lumabas ang tropa at inumaga na ng uwi. Sabi naman ng guard sa condo, nakita nya si paco nung gabi ng july 16. Sa guards logbook, may entry dun na 10:15 pm umuwi si paco sa condo unit nya. Nx entry is 10:05 pm may ibang tenants na pumasok. Nauna pa yung 10:15 sa 10:05.

Pag ganyang depensa, weakest form na nga, dagdagan mo pa ng inconsistencies, sa appreciation ng judge nyan, me nagsisinungaling dito. At delikado dyan ang akysado dahil ang burden of producing evidence na wala sya sa cebu ay nakaatang sa kanya. Pag di nya na overcome yang presumption, the judge will likely rely sa witness ng prosecution na nakita nya diumano si paco sa cebu that time.

The lawyyers can always file a case before the CA or SC to file a motion to suspend trial, or petition to said courts on the perceived abuse of discretion by judge at any stage of proceedings.

Powerful din kasi ang media. Who knows, mga less than 10% lang ng katotohanan ang andun sa documentary

Wala din yata sa manifest ng airline na bumiyahe siya.

Yung ayaw ipa-DNA ng judge dahil mismo nanay hindi din maconfirm kung yun ang anak niya? Ano sa tingin mo torni?

Tsaka dinadalaw pa daw nung nanay sa kulungan yung isa sa suspect at dinadalhan ng cake? :?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:16 pm 
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Romy Nabas wrote:
Sa kasong kidnapping, hindi importante kung natagpuang buhay o patay ang biktima. Ang kailangan lang i-prove ng prosecution ay yung fact na na kidnap yung biktima, at ang suspects ang may kagagawan. Pwede eyewitness sa nangyari like Rusia, or pwede witnesses na nakita sina paco na kasama sina chiong noong araw ng july 16, 1997 (im kindergarten that time).

Ang kinaso kina paco ay kidnapping with homicide which is punishable by death that time.
Accdg to RTC judge, napatunayan yung kidnapping pero hindi yung pagpatay dahil (1) di sigurado sa identity ng nakuhang bangkay. Kaya posibleng di yun isa sa chiong sisters. Wala din dna test na ginawa. Kaya ang bumaba ang sentensya kay paco to double life imprisonment dahil kidnapping lang ang na prove beyond reasonable doubt.

Read the full text of SC decision kung saan nila ibinase ang decision para maliwanagan. Dont be fooled by documentaries at halata namang one-sided.

Even the king of spain believes that paco is guilty kaya nya ni require ng plea of guilt before he will be given freedom in spain

Interesting....ung sa hindi pagpayag sa paDNA, may irregularity ba ung sa judge o irrelevant na ung paDNA sa kidnapping case.


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Romy Nabas wrote:
Sa kasong kidnapping, hindi importante kung natagpuang buhay o patay ang biktima. Ang kailangan lang i-prove ng prosecution ay yung fact na na kidnap yung biktima, at ang suspects ang may kagagawan. Pwede eyewitness sa nangyari like Rusia, or pwede witnesses na nakita sina paco na kasama sina chiong noong araw ng july 16, 1997 (im kindergarten that time).

Ang kinaso kina paco ay kidnapping with homicide which is punishable by death that time.
Accdg to RTC judge, napatunayan yung kidnapping pero hindi yung pagpatay dahil (1) di sigurado sa identity ng nakuhang bangkay. Kaya posibleng di yun isa sa chiong sisters. Wala din dna test na ginawa. Kaya ang bumaba ang sentensya kay paco to double life imprisonment dahil kidnapping lang ang na prove beyond reasonable doubt.

Read the full text of SC decision kung saan nila ibinase ang decision para maliwanagan. Dont be fooled by documentaries at halata namang one-sided.

Even the king of spain believes that paco is guilty kaya nya ni require ng plea of guilt before he will be given freedom in spain




paliwanagan mo sila atty. rehan lao.




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Bawal ang langaw dito :lol:

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