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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:50 pm 
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Mods please understand i'm doing this so that they understand. Hope you sticky this.

First of all i am not trying to start a fight here.
I just want us Manilenos,ilocanos,kapampangans these very group na malakas mang-lait sa mga visayans to understand the Visayan's side.
Kaya proud na proud yang mga yan whenever a visayan puts the philippines in the map as can be shown on the threads here they specifically say "another visayan champion" "galing sa visayas" "visayan si pacquiao,donaire,sonsona" etc is because this is what they really are saying "Ayan, diba nilalait niyo kaming mga visaya eto ngayon nag-i-excel kami kahit maliit ang pagtingin niyo sa amin". Tapos ngayon nagagalit kayo when they regionalize say for example Pacman as a Visayan champ? Eh sino ba nagsisimula mag regionalize eh diba kayo din na nilalait niyo silang mga visayan sa paligid niyo tinatawag niyong jologs, baduy. You're disowning them. Pero if a Visayan made us Filipinos great ayun sasabit kayo to claim him as FILIPINO and not the JOLOGS BADUY VISAYA.

Right. At pag tagalog napunta sa Visayas kinainisan, kinainggitan, binobugbog, pinagtripan, kulang na lang patayin. Hayy, buhay. >> This is someone's post.
This one can be simply explained, may nakikita ba kayong mga Visayan na pumupunta sa Maynila na kinaiinisan,kinainggitan? Wala, because they know they will be labeled as promdi,jologs,baduy so low-esteem na kaagad.
Pero pag tayong mga nasa luzon pumunta sa visayas or mindanao, mababa ba esteem natin? Hindi, because you already think first-hand na superior kayo sa mga visaya. So pagpunta niyo sa visayas talagang kinaiinisan kayo kasi ang aangas kasi ng dating niyo. Sumobra kayo sa self-esteem.

There is this other thing that i'm guilty about noon pa because i didn't know better?Pag alam kong hindi taga luzon ang punto kung magsalita tinatanong ko taga saan siya at pag alam ko ang lugar niya ay sa Mindanao ano ang automatic na kasunod na tanong nating mga taga luzon?Right. MUSLIM KA BA?
When i knew better i have been telling my friends and anyone i can that Mindanao is not totally populated by Muslims, it's at best 70% Christians and 30% Muslims. It's just that the majority of the Muslims are located at Mindanao,it doesn't mean the whole Mindanao population are muslims. Now let me ask whose fault is this? The media and the ads. You ask why? Pag may giyera sa Mindanao, sinisensationalize ng mga reporters. They never point out that the battle took place in a certain small barangay, so mentality ng mga filipinos who have no familiarity about mindanao will think the whole mindanao is magulo eh yun pala sa isang maliit na barangay lang pala. Oh and don't forget about the ads, i'd just cite one advertisement as an example yung sa Lactum na Panatag ads. To symbolize Luzon, you see tagalog speaking people and artists, to symbolize Visayas, you see visayan speaking people and to symbolize Mindanao what do you see? Right again. Muslims with vintas at the backgrounds. I'm not saying there is something wrong with being a muslim, what i'm trying to point out is the media and these ads are at fault on why many of us from Luzon perceive all Mindanaoans as muslims.

Since we are talking about Muslims, we know this another group of Filipinos na nilalait din BUT hindi nalalait ng kasing-grabe like what you do to the Visayans. Aminin nating lahat what comes first to mind when we think of our muslim filipinos you see in quiapo especially those yung nakakatakot tingnan? Right again. Terorista. Pero kaya niyo bang laitin sila and tell that to their face? No. Kasi unlike the visayans these group are much more united. Kaya nga nilang pumatay ng kapwa muslim pag ridoh na pinag-uusapan, mga kristiyano pa kaya. These muslim filipinos are our version of the "african-american" of u.s.a.
Etong mga eto, they are very brave and confrontational kasi that is their defense mechanism para di sila nilalait ng basta2x. So kaya pag nanglait kayo sa kanila hanggang sa isip niyo lang talaga at di niyo magawang vocal katulad ng mga ginagawa niyo sa mga visayans. Hindi rin natin masisi sila kung bakit ganun sila because they see it in our eyes when we look at them and avoid their stare once they see us looking at them. Nilalahat kasi natin eh, even though only a few of them do those acts of terrorism.

It's not the visayans fault that they have to go to manila just to find work. Why? Kasi lahat ng trabaho,infrastructure at kung anu-ano pa dito tinatambak sa atin. So natural lang talaga na pupunta sila dito kasi mas malaki tsansa nila makahanap ng trabaho kaysa doon sa mga lugar nila. So ayun, lahat ng problema tayong mga taga maynila ang nagsa-suffer pollution,traffic,basura,baha etc pero sa mga probinsiya nila kalinis.
Then when they come here you call them baduy kasi ang pangit mag japorms. Malaki na ginastos ng mga yan para makaabot lang maynila, do you think they have time to make themselves japorms?What's on their mind is makapagtapos ng pag-aaral kasi doon sa probinsiya nagpakahirap at nagsakripisyo mga magulang nila para makapag-aral lang mga anak nila sa maynila. Or yung mga ginigeneralize niyong mga security guards,maids,OH YES AND EVEN the PROSTITUTES na mga visayans, what's on their minds as priority is not japorms but to be able to send money to their families back home.
Eh when i talked to my friends who were at school then who happened to be promdis then, the difference being they are from luzon(kapampangans,ilocanos,etc) Pag nagka problema magkikwento mga yan, tapos ayun mabibigla ako kasi ganun na ganun din naman pala ang mga sitwasyon nila tulad sa mga nilalait nilang bisaya eh. naghihirap din naman pala mga magulang nila sa probinsya nila just to make them go to the best schools at manila. pero ano inaatupag nila?saan ginagastos ang perang pinaghirapan ng mga magulang nila? sa pa japorms.ayan.

Tapos, matapos natin silang lait-laitin pupunta tayo sa mga lugar nila para magbakasyon tapos arogante pa kayo doon. Eh nasaktan na mga yun sa mga na experience nilang panglalait ng mga kapwa visayans nila sa maynila eh di siyempre madaling uminit ang ulo nila sa mga maangas na taga maynilang pumupunta sa visayas.

Kung pinagkakalat lang sana sa lahat ng lugar ang mga firms at hindi lahat tinambak dito sa maynila hindi sana sinolo ng maynila lahat ng problema that comes with progress. As if kasi maynila lang ang Pilipinas.
Pero ang pera ng visayas at mindanao pumupunta sa maynila bago maibalik sa kanila, anong kalokohan yan. eh di siyempre maynila o luzon ang nakikinabang ng pera ng visayas at mindanao.

Isipin niyo hindi magsusurvive ang Pilipinas kung manilenos,ilocanos,kapampangans etc in luzon lang ang natitira.

I have lived here in manila long enough, but i understand these fellow pinoys sentiments because unlike the others na lait lang alam gawin i've talked to them and understood why the visayans feel that way and why the muslims have so much hatred. but when i talked to them, they've always addressed those who belittle them as kapwa pinoys - "bakit ganun tingin nila sa amin eh kapwa pinoy naman kami eh". pero sa mga kaibigan kung malakas mang-lait sa kanila i noticed they always address them as visayans or muslims - "eh kasi yang mga visaya ang jojologs" or "mga pirata kasi yang mga yan - di bi di, bi si di sir.(ginagaya yung tono)"

That is one of the reason why our country doesn't progress as much as it has because of these luzonians who have no intention to think of the visayans , mindanaons as kapwa pinoy united as one. Their arrogance of them being superior to these other pinoys is one of the reasons of what's bringing our country down. Saka lang nag-iisip ng unity ang luzonians sa mga visayans kapag "pacquiao is pinoy" na bigla,aangkinin nila as one of their own na kaagad when pacquiao's kapwa visaya ayun nilalait nila.

After i've talked to everyone's side after all these years, all things become clear. the luzonians do it, to make themselves feel better.the visayans/mindanaons just feel too victimized that they devaluate themselves way too much.the muslims do it as defense mechanism so as they won't be belittled so easily as the visayans.

One thing remains,the visayans/mindanaoans and even the muslims are ready to unite because they've addressed those who belittled them as kapwa pinoy. but if not all but most of the luzonians i've talked to have addressed to their kapwa pinoys as bisaya,jologs,muslim.what i can ascertain is that not one them called them as kapwa pinoys.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:23 pm 
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tama ka ang mga visaya ang naka traffic daw s maynila,kng wlang mga visaya wlang trafiic,tama ba


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:38 pm 
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kaya nga kay tagal na namin gustong maging independent itong Mindanao.. kaya nming mabuhay dito kahit wala ang luzon. we have all the resources here. kamuntikan na talaga na mag revolt ang mindanao sabay ng pag alsa ng mga magdalo.. sayang talaga hindi natuloy.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:45 pm 
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sori ayoko nang magsalita, but Mindanao is ready to separate from imperial luzon. just ask nene pimentel


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:18 pm 
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Ice Man wrote:
sori ayoko nang magsalita, but Mindanao is ready to separate from imperial luzon. just ask nene pimentel



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