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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:35 am 
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in that when Banal did the cheap shot where he was deducted, concepcion was about to retaliate and the coach seeing that that was an opportunity because he knows Banal is already frustrated, stopped concepcion and brought him to his corner.

Had he allowed him to retaliate, there would also be a deduction for concepcion and they'll lose that opportunity.

Banal lost physically due to pushing which sapped his strength, frustration on seeing his opponent catching all his power shots and still standing. He also lost mentally due to the dirty tactics his opponent did.

What i notice in Banal was, he wasn't his usual self.
1. He looked drained, kinda skinny for what we were used to seeing him.
2. He wasn't as sharp as he was.
3. He did not have the killer instinct we used to see.

Many of us who watched there are frustrated. He could have stood up, we know he still could. That was only two rounds more, if that was the only KD, he still could have won on points.
But instead he chose to say no more, he was too tired to will himself to go on.

When i watched the fight on tv recorded by my cousin, i was shocked on that round where Banal could have finished him yet his corner told him IN and out, in and out? wth!

There is a pattern emerging, these boxers all fight the same way. They are good on early rounds, but fade in the last crucial rounds. That is because the mindset is early KO, but once they see they can't seem to KO their opponents they get frustrated and tired.

Among them the three who failed, Banal has the bigger chance of recovering and learning.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:28 pm 
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Asking their fighter to make that "In and out" thing is a bull crap knowing that the opponent was already hurt!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:42 pm 
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"IN and OUT" may be the corner of banal is using the same strategy of trainer freddie roach when manny is against diaz...
It is not good for banal of hearing that to his corner, as he is already in the momentum to knock his opponent out...


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:46 pm 
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G@U wrote:
"IN and OUT" may be the corner of banal is using the same strategy of trainer freddie roach when manny is against diaz...


Just like Antonio Margarito did to COtto......


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:49 pm 
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in that when Banal did the cheap shot where he was deducted, concepcion was about to retaliate and the coach seeing that that was an opportunity because he knows Banal is already frustrated, stopped concepcion and brought him to his corner.

Had he allowed him to retaliate, there would also be a deduction for concepcion and they'll lose that opportunity.

Banal lost physically due to pushing which sapped his strength, frustration on seeing his opponent catching all his power shots and still standing. He also lost mentally due to the dirty tactics his opponent did.

What i notice in Banal was, he wasn't his usual self.
1. He looked drained, kinda skinny for what we were used to seeing him.
2. He wasn't as sharp as he was.
3. He did not have the killer instinct we used to see.

Many of us who watched there are frustrated. He could have stood up, we know he still could. That was only two rounds more, if that was the only KD, he still could have won on points.
But instead he chose to say no more, he was too tired to will himself to go on.

When i watched the fight on tv recorded by my cousin, i was shocked on that round where Banal could have finished him yet his corner told him IN and out, in and out? wth!

There is a pattern emerging, these boxers all fight the same way. They are good on early rounds, but fade in the last crucial rounds. That is because the mindset is early KO, but once they see they can't seem to KO their opponents they get frustrated and tired.

Among them the three who failed, Banal has the bigger chance of recovering and learning.


of course! freddie roach is his coach!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:56 pm 
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They've picked the wrong instruction! It's just like a doctor prescribing a medical patient with a wrong medicine!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:11 pm 
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quiao wrote:
englishbritish wrote:
in that when Banal did the cheap shot where he was deducted, concepcion was about to retaliate and the coach seeing that that was an opportunity because he knows Banal is already frustrated, stopped concepcion and brought him to his corner.

Had he allowed him to retaliate, there would also be a deduction for concepcion and they'll lose that opportunity.

Banal lost physically due to pushing which sapped his strength, frustration on seeing his opponent catching all his power shots and still standing. He also lost mentally due to the dirty tactics his opponent did.

What i notice in Banal was, he wasn't his usual self.
1. He looked drained, kinda skinny for what we were used to seeing him.
2. He wasn't as sharp as he was.
3. He did not have the killer instinct we used to see.

Many of us who watched there are frustrated. He could have stood up, we know he still could. That was only two rounds more, if that was the only KD, he still could have won on points.
But instead he chose to say no more, he was too tired to will himself to go on.

When i watched the fight on tv recorded by my cousin, i was shocked on that round where Banal could have finished him yet his corner told him IN and out, in and out? wth!

There is a pattern emerging, these boxers all fight the same way. They are good on early rounds, but fade in the last crucial rounds. That is because the mindset is early KO, but once they see they can't seem to KO their opponents they get frustrated and tired.

Among them the three who failed, Banal has the bigger chance of recovering and learning.


of course! freddie roach is his coach!


not a good reader eh. hehe
Bernabe concepcion did not fight Aj Banal yesterday.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:16 pm 
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with regards to the topic, Rafael Concepcion having a good coach. This is what i mean :

"When Banal did the cheap shot where he was deducted, concepcion was about to retaliate and the coach seeing that that was an opportunity because he knows Banal is already frustrated, stopped concepcion and brought him to his corner.

Had he allowed him to retaliate, there would also be a deduction for concepcion and they'll lose that opportunity."

Had he not intervened and allowed Concepcion to retaliate with a cheapshot of his own, the referee was there to see it. The coach immediately took concepcion to his corner, because he knows they have broke down Banal's mental toughness. That was an opportunity to use for the next round, the coach did not let it go to waste by letting his boxer do a cheapshot which he was about to do.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:22 pm 
englishbritish wrote:
quiao wrote:
englishbritish wrote:
in that when Banal did the cheap shot where he was deducted, concepcion was about to retaliate and the coach seeing that that was an opportunity because he knows Banal is already frustrated, stopped concepcion and brought him to his corner.

Had he allowed him to retaliate, there would also be a deduction for concepcion and they'll lose that opportunity.

Banal lost physically due to pushing which sapped his strength, frustration on seeing his opponent catching all his power shots and still standing. He also lost mentally due to the dirty tactics his opponent did.

What i notice in Banal was, he wasn't his usual self.
1. He looked drained, kinda skinny for what we were used to seeing him.
2. He wasn't as sharp as he was.
3. He did not have the killer instinct we used to see.

Many of us who watched there are frustrated. He could have stood up, we know he still could. That was only two rounds more, if that was the only KD, he still could have won on points.
But instead he chose to say no more, he was too tired to will himself to go on.

When i watched the fight on tv recorded by my cousin, i was shocked on that round where Banal could have finished him yet his corner told him IN and out, in and out? wth!

There is a pattern emerging, these boxers all fight the same way. They are good on early rounds, but fade in the last crucial rounds. That is because the mindset is early KO, but once they see they can't seem to KO their opponents they get frustrated and tired.

Among them the three who failed, Banal has the bigger chance of recovering and learning.


of course! freddie roach is his coach!


not a good reader eh. hehe
Bernabe concepcion did not fight Aj Banal yesterday.


oppss! sori.. i thought you're refering to abe! i was infront of my computer for about 6 hours now! im tired of reading some long threads. im just reading the thread's header and figuring out what to say.. sori once again! tao lang! :D


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nakakasakit sa mata yan, ipahinga mo yan.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:57 pm 
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englishbritish wrote:
in that when Banal did the cheap shot where he was deducted, concepcion was about to retaliate and the coach seeing that that was an opportunity because he knows Banal is already frustrated, stopped concepcion and brought him to his corner.

Had he allowed him to retaliate, there would also be a deduction for concepcion and they'll lose that opportunity.

Banal lost physically due to pushing which sapped his strength, frustration on seeing his opponent catching all his power shots and still standing. He also lost mentally due to the dirty tactics his opponent did.

What i notice in Banal was, he wasn't his usual self.
1. He looked drained, kinda skinny for what we were used to seeing him.
2. He wasn't as sharp as he was.
3. He did not have the killer instinct we used to see.

Many of us who watched there are frustrated. He could have stood up, we know he still could. That was only two rounds more, if that was the only KD, he still could have won on points.
But instead he chose to say no more, he was too tired to will himself to go on.

When i watched the fight on tv recorded by my cousin, i was shocked on that round where Banal could have finished him yet his corner told him IN and out, in and out? wth!

There is a pattern emerging, these boxers all fight the same way. They are good on early rounds, but fade in the last crucial rounds. That is because the mindset is early KO, but once they see they can't seem to KO their opponents they get frustrated and tired.

Among them the three who failed, Banal has the bigger chance of recovering and learning.


Yes! "El Torito" Concepcion has a good coach...

but if Bazooka Banal coached and trained by Freddie Roach...

assistant coaches are Buboy and Edito...

there is no problem plus conditioning coaches Eric Brown and Alex Ariza

plus world class sparring partners...

imagine how good "Bazooka" Banal would be

when it comes to dirty fighter

Freddie Roach is the strategies specialist and the master of gameplan

and that's the reason why Pacman, Gerry Penalosa and Abe Concepcion

won impressively in many previous fights and more improving...

I think Wild Card Gym, California will be the right place for training regimen for Banal...

there is no problem and all are complete and efficient...

and besides "El Torito" Concepcion would be end up early fight

if they had a game plan, strategies came from Freddie Roach...

which are those important for boxing fights...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:10 am 
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ALA boxing stable should learn from this mistake,,,
next time, they should Hire Coach Roach,,,
AJ has a potential to become a world champion,,,
AJ should train with Abe conception at wild card gym,,,


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:17 am 
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concepcion's coach was one of the best in the world... he had trained top notch fighters w/ the likes of gatti....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:20 am 
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YotipDako wrote:
concepcion's coach was one of the best in the world... he had trained top notch fighters w/ the likes of gatti....


i likewise believe concepcion is "better coached" than banal. :(

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:38 am 
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if AJ be trained by Roach, then who gets the credit for his win? :D

ALA is avoiding this to happen.
as the saying goes:
"Ako ang nagtanim, ang nagbayo at nagsaing, saka nang maluto'y iba ang kumain?"

to ALA, i think you're almost there. Roach is too busy already to hire him but perhaps you can invite him for a clinic (not only for boxers but including all your coaches)?

ALA boxers should learn how to preserve their energy to stay strong til the end. esp, learn how to deal with GULANG or dirty tactics. it should be part of their training. ALA are clean fighters but please learn how to deal with dirty or should i say, smarter opponents.


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