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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:31 am 
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It is strike 3 already. Fortunately, this is not baseball. Don't you believe something should have been done after strike 1?

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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
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IronWood_Cebu wrote:
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A reaction to Ala's quote.


"the higher you fly, the harder the fall"

"the bigger the hype, the bigger the disappointment"

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Question: Is it ALA's fault if the Philippine and some foreign sportswriters are hyping his fighters up?


no.

but to me, it seems, it is ALA's fault that he is ALA. thats how i read the posts from the haters these past few days.

they seems to know more about boxing. i wonder why up to now they havent taken that big step to manage their own stabel of boxers and help philippine boxing in the process.


simple theyre just "S" to ALA.hehehehe


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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:35 am 
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Question: Is it ALA's fault if the Philippine and some foreign sportswriters are hyping his fighters up?[/quote]

no, but they have s0me faults also,. :shock:
the hyping is the factor h0w deep is our downfall is. 8)[/quote]

So what do you suggest for ALA to do to stop the local and foreign media from hyping his fighters?[/quote]

you got me wrong, why would he do that, its his boxers anyway??? 8)
i said that ALA has s0me faults also, get it?
im also saying that hyping is really one of the reasons. :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:36 am 
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To me, the more revealing statement in that article was: "Concepcion wanted it more." Especially when placed in the context of another statement, "I don't know what was on his mind. Only AJ knows what was on his mind", when referring to AJ's refusal to beat the count.

Tony knows AJ like a father knows his son. He seems to me to be saying something without really saying anything. I think we should listen not only to what he says but also to that which remains unsaid.


ultimately kasi, the boxer decides when will he keep on going or stay down.

there would be a lot of speculation in the coming days... what ifs.... but as i said to the guy, the only consolation there is that he lost not because of him getting ktfo but because he was simple exhausted. and thats a lot more "cureable" to me... that can be corrected thru proper training and preparation.

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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:39 am 
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HeHitsTheFloorAgain wrote:

you got me wrong, why would he do that, its his boxers anyway??? 8)
i said that ALA has s0me faults also, get it?
im also saying that hyping is really one of the reasons. :shock:


i dont think ALA hyped AJ.. if you happen to follow AJ's career, he has been paired with quality opponents... you go through the records of his previous opponents, theyre good.

the kid, prior to this loss, was simply extra-ordinary. he have been knocking out good quality opponents... of course, if you have that kind of record, the media will pick it up.

i dont expect ALA to prevent the media to report AJ's exploits, do you?

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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:44 am 
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That is why i felt that ALA's disappointment is bigger because AJ was so hyped by the "foreign media". He was so hyped that they were already looking forward to fight the winner of the other "championship" bout.

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IronWood_Cebu wrote:
HeHitsTheFloorAgain wrote:

you got me wrong, why would he do that, its his boxers anyway??? 8)
i said that ALA has s0me faults also, get it?
im also saying that hyping is really one of the reasons. :shock:


i dont think ALA hyped AJ.. if you happen to follow AJ's career, he has been paired with quality opponents... you go through the records of his previous opponents, theyre good.

the kid, prior to this loss, was simply extra-ordinary. he have been knocking out good quality opponents... of course, if you have that kind of record, the media will pick it up.

i dont expect ALA to prevent the media to report AJ's exploits, do you?


that's my point, very well said.! 8)


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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:45 am 
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HeHitsTheFloorAgain wrote:
Question: Is it ALA's fault if the Philippine and some foreign sportswriters are hyping his fighters up?


no, but they have s0me faults also,. :shock:
the hyping is the factor h0w deep is our downfall is. 8)[/quote]

So what do you suggest for ALA to do to stop the local and foreign media from hyping his fighters?[/quote]

you got me wrong, why would he do that, its his boxers anyway??? 8)
i said that ALA has s0me faults also, get it?
im also saying that hyping is really one of the reasons. :shock:[/quote]

i don't get you. what were ALA's faults then? :?

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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
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The ALA boxers are technically the best boxers in the Philippines in my opinion.
I disagree from other posters that they are not world class but they are.
That doesn't mean there is no more room for improvement though.
The statements made by ALA are music to the ears after experiencing defeat,
"No Excuses" seems to be the honorable statement.
Some of the statements caught my attention and if you read between the lines,
Ala has actually pointed most of the mistakes to their fighter AJ Banal. Sorry, correct
me if i'm wrong because im only human and bound to commit mistake in reading and understanding:

First point: He said Concepcion wanted it more
- seems to me that he implied that AJ fell short in in this department.
His team was asking AJ to get up but AJ didn't. Ala implied from the
interview that he still doesn't know what AJ was thinking then. They believe
he can finish the fight and can still win on points.

-> My point of view is this, AJ Banal collapsed twice before reaching the hospital.
The doctor found that he is low in sodium and electrolytes, dehydrated, tired. Isnt this enough
to prove that the body of AJ cannot do it ? As AJ said, my mind wanted me to continue but
my body cannot do it.

Second point: Ala said "AJ allowed himself to get hit in the body"
- what is his team or his coach doing in between rounds. The responsibility of his team especially the
coach is to guide their fighter. AJ Banal is only 19 yrs old, still a boy in boxing terms,
not enough experience and needs a lot of guidance from his trainer and coach.

Yes he is right there is "No Excuses" but some of this should be accepted as a team.
Training, conditioning, defense, these are some of the things that the stable should
look into and improve. Just my constructive criticism po :)


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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:46 am 
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For me AJ isn't hyped. He's just too good for a 19-year-old, as evidenced by the quality of opposition he has faced.

He was just outsmarted by Concepcion. Nagulangan ika nga.

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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:48 am 
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HeHitsTheFloorAgain wrote:
Question: Is it ALA's fault if the Philippine and some foreign sportswriters are hyping his fighters up?


no, but they have s0me faults also,. :shock:
the hyping is the factor h0w deep is our downfall is. 8)[/quote]

So what do you suggest for ALA to do to stop the local and foreign media from hyping his fighters?[/quote]

you got me wrong, why would he do that, its his boxers anyway??? 8)
i said that ALA has s0me faults also, get it?
im also saying that hyping is really one of the reasons. :shock:[/quote]

Care to name some of his faults?


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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:50 am 
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For me AJ isn't hyped. He's just too good for a 19-year-old, as evidenced by the quality of opposition he has faced.

He was just outsmarted by Concepcion. Nagulangan ika nga.


this line of dissection ive been agreeing several threads back.

nagulangan lang talaga yung bata... those liver shots were punishing!

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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
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HeHitsTheFloorAgain wrote:
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HeHitsTheFloorAgain wrote:

you got me wrong, why would he do that, its his boxers anyway??? 8)
i said that ALA has s0me faults also, get it?
im also saying that hyping is really one of the reasons. :shock:


i dont think ALA hyped AJ.. if you happen to follow AJ's career, he has been paired with quality opponents... you go through the records of his previous opponents, theyre good.

the kid, prior to this loss, was simply extra-ordinary. he have been knocking out good quality opponents... of course, if you have that kind of record, the media will pick it up.

i dont expect ALA to prevent the media to report AJ's exploits, do you?


that's my point, very well said.! 8)


then where's ALA's faults lie then?

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 Post subject: Re: ALA: NO EXCUSES
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IronWood_Cebu wrote:
grayfist wrote:
To me, the more revealing statement in that article was: "Concepcion wanted it more." Especially when placed in the context of another statement, "I don't know what was on his mind. Only AJ knows what was on his mind", when referring to AJ's refusal to beat the count.

Tony knows AJ like a father knows his son. He seems to me to be saying something without really saying anything. I think we should listen not only to what he says but also to that which remains unsaid.


ultimately kasi, the boxer decides when will he keep on going or stay down.

there would be a lot of speculation in the coming days... what ifs.... but as i said to the guy, the only consolation there is that he lost not because of him getting ktfo but because he was simple exhausted. and thats a lot more "cureable" to me... that can be corrected thru proper training and preparation.
True, there shall be a lot of guessing in weeks to come, maybe months. True too that it is only the fighter who knows his state at the time.

But one must look at the statement of ALA himself as thought provoking when he said, "Concepcion wanted it more," because it can only mean that Banal wanted it less.

The question is then raised, is Tony himself taking a closer look at Banal's "desire"? Is that what is meant by that statment, given the fact that Tony himself is circumspect about his take on why Banal refused to beat the count, as he merely said, "I do not know what was on his mind"?

If that is so, then there's a bigger problem than just the apparent physical issues. Lack of desire is much more difficult to cure than stamina issues, I think.

Tony is an experienced boxingman; 20 years in the sport. On top of that, he is like a father to Banal. He is in the best position to do something about it. But before he can administer the cure, he has to know the ailment. His statements above tell me that he thinks he does, and I believe he's right.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:54 am 
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The boy(AJ) has to learn something from defeat....


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