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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:39 pm 
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This is how India selected their team to Dresden:

MUMBAI: The All-India Chess Federation is believed to be initiating some drastic reforms. The aim, according to a top functionary of the associaion, is to improve the standard of the game in India and performance of the players abroad.

A proposal to make Elo rating as criteria for the selection of the Olympiad teen will come up for discussion at its general body meeting in Chennai on Friday. The AICF sources say the proposal will be approved.

The ground-breaking move, as one AICF official said, is aimed at giving more emphasis on performance of the players at the international tournaments than on the national circuit.

For example, top finishers at the year’s National A were hitherto being picked for the year’s Olympiad which was necessarily were not the country’s best players. Last year, a rank outsider like DP Singh, who was not even an International Master at that stage, managed a top four finish at the National A and got automatically selected for the Olympiad ahead of some Grandmasters.

The new reform will ensure that only players with high Elo ratings would only represent the country at the biennial Olympiad. As per the present rating, Vishy Anand (2801), P Harikrishna (2668), K Sasikiran (2661), Sandipan Chanda (2593) and SS Ganguly (2585) are the top-rated players. “We want to send the best from the country to the Olympiad,” said Sameer Salgaokar, one of the vice-presidents of the AICF.

The AICF, said an official, believes that because of this flawed method, India, known to be one of the powerhouses in world chess, finished 31st the Turin Olympiad in 2006. The next Olympiad will be held in Germany in 2008. The other big change is to reduce the number of participants at the National A.



Aside from FIDE Elo ratings, players should have a minimum number of completed FIDE-rated tournaments participated in a year. This should eliminate those trying to protect their Elo ratings by choosing the few tournaments they would join in and quitting a tournament after losing a few games at the start. We can also use the Live Ratings rather than waiting for FIDE to release their list that is only done 4 times a year.

Here is a sample of players performance in September 2008:

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Current Live Ratings (up to 10th round of 2008 olympiad)

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A single national tournament alone cannot provide the best selection for the Chess Olympiad as even the strongest chess players may not perform well in a particular tournament because of certain factors (physical, mental, emotional) that can affect his performance at the time.

Like India, and based on the performance of our team in Germany, it's time to change our selection criteria. It's not a matter of giving others a chance, but a chance of giving our country the respect it deserves!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:47 pm 
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GM Wesley So (ELO 2610) gave Chinese Super GM Ni Hua (ELO 2710) all he could handle and
won handily with the White pieces with the Ruy Lopez Opening playing Board 2 in one of 1st
round matches that includes 3rd seeded China against the 38th seed Philippines. So's win went
for naught as the Philippines lost to the heavily favored Chinese, 2 1/2 - 1 1/2. The scores didn't
matter as the World Chess Olympiad decided to adopt a new scoring system; 2 points for a win,
1 point for a draw and 0 for a loss in a match point scoring system.



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The Philippines defeated 79th seed Algeria, 2 1/2 - 1 1/2, in one of the 2nd round matches to
notched their first point of the tourney. They are set to play Monaco in the 3rd round...

I HATE CHESS BUT MANNY PLAYS WITH IT..


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:06 pm 
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The seeding should have been
1.Torre
2.So
3.Antoinio
4.Paragua
5.Gomez

if this were the line up we probably ended up in the Top 10! Imagine Antonio & Paragua in Board 3 & 4 while Gomez as a reserve? For sure sabog lahat ng lower rated opponents. sa totoo lang their ELO rating is really below their playing strength based na rin sa opponents they already faced and how they played against those higher rated players


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:10 pm 
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The rules were set and no amount of letters can change that. If this is the price that needs to pay for being fair so be it. Let’s start and learn from this lesson and improve the selection process in the future.

Never build your structure in wrong foundations. Enough of “Palakasan System”. It will do more harm than good. Sadly, masyado na tayong kinain ng sistemang ito. Sending veterans for better results is a myth. Torre, Antonio, So and Paragua were included in the 2006 Olympiad, what happen then? Ayun, sa kangkungan pa rin tayo pinulot.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:16 pm 
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No selection process will be satisfactory to all. Le's make do with what we have at present.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:23 pm 
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Team Philippines (38) is set to play Argentina (31) in the 11th round. Argentina has 3 GMs and 2 IMs.
They are GMs Ruben Felgaer (2591), Fernando Peralta (2557) and Daniel Campora (2537). The two IMs
are Anton Kovalyov (2571) and Diego Flores (2568).

The Philippines is currently languishing at 53rd place, way below their starting rank which was 38th. They
need to finish strong and needs an impressive win against Argentina. Surprisingly, Vietnam, which is ranked
at tad better than us (37th), is in 10th place, very impressive showing by the Vietnamese so far...



http://www.chessolympics.com/results.m.eng.html

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After 10 grueling rounds, GM Wesley So (2610) has a rating performance of 2701, while the newly
minted GM John Paul Gomez (2519) has a rating performance of 2589. These 2 young turks are the
most consistent performers for the Philippines for this year's Chess Olympiad...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:23 pm 
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Fantastic!!!! Commendable!!!! A work of art system of rating chess players!!! If our chess official did not adopt it, they are not serious on their job and should resign immediately (maawa naman kayo sa amin) or they should come up with a better one which I very much doubt if anyone in the government can do.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:25 pm 
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deepblue wrote:
This is how India selected their team to Dresden:

MUMBAI: The All-India Chess Federation is believed to be initiating some drastic reforms. The aim, according to a top functionary of the associaion, is to improve the standard of the game in India and performance of the players abroad.

A proposal to make Elo rating as criteria for the selection of the Olympiad teen will come up for discussion at its general body meeting in Chennai on Friday. The AICF sources say the proposal will be approved.

The ground-breaking move, as one AICF official said, is aimed at giving more emphasis on performance of the players at the international tournaments than on the national circuit.

For example, top finishers at the year’s National A were hitherto being picked for the year’s Olympiad which was necessarily were not the country’s best players. Last year, a rank outsider like DP Singh, who was not even an International Master at that stage, managed a top four finish at the National A and got automatically selected for the Olympiad ahead of some Grandmasters.

The new reform will ensure that only players with high Elo ratings would only represent the country at the biennial Olympiad. As per the present rating, Vishy Anand (2801), P Harikrishna (2668), K Sasikiran (2661), Sandipan Chanda (2593) and SS Ganguly (2585) are the top-rated players. “We want to send the best from the country to the Olympiad,” said Sameer Salgaokar, one of the vice-presidents of the AICF.

The AICF, said an official, believes that because of this flawed method, India, known to be one of the powerhouses in world chess, finished 31st the Turin Olympiad in 2006. The next Olympiad will be held in Germany in 2008. The other big change is to reduce the number of participants at the National A.



Aside from FIDE Elo ratings, players should have a minimum number of completed FIDE-rated tournaments participated in a year. This should eliminate those trying to protect their Elo ratings by choosing the few tournaments they would join in and quitting a tournament after losing a few games at the start. We can also use the Live Ratings rather than waiting for FIDE to release their list that is only done 4 times a year.

Here is a sample of players performance in September 2008:

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Current Live Ratings (up to 10th round of 2008 olympiad)

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A single national tournament alone cannot provide the best selection for the Chess Olympiad as even the strongest chess players may not perform well in a particular tournament because of certain factors (physical, mental, emotional) that can affect his performance at the time.

Like India, and based on the performance of our team in Germany, it's time to change our selection criteria. It's not a matter of giving others a chance, but a chance of giving our country the respect it deserves!


Very nice analysis and excellent visuals!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:32 pm 
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The rules were set and no amount of letters can change that. If this is the price that needs to pay for being fair so be it. Let’s start and learn from this lesson and improve the selection process in the future.

Never build your structure in wrong foundations. Enough of “Palakasan System”. It will do more harm than good. Sadly, masyado na tayong kinain ng sistemang ito. Sending veterans for better results is a myth. Torre, Antonio, So and Paragua were included in the 2006 Olympiad, what happen then? Ayun, sa kangkungan pa rin tayo pinulot.



Amen, bro.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:16 am 
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A VERY NICE INTERVIEW OF BORIS SPASSKY - SUCH INSIGHTS COMING FROM THE FORMER WORLD CHAMPION

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/ol-rd-10/#more-4683


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Gm Wesley So (2610) vs. GM Alexei Shirov (2726) ---> http://cheszpatzerblog.blogspot.com/200 ... is_20.html

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:40 am 
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Result of the previous Chess Olympiad 2006.

So only played 5/13 games. :(


http://www.chess-results.com/tnr3410.aspx?art=20&lan=1&flag=30&m=-1&snr=35&zeilen=99999


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:49 am 
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robwisdom wrote:
The rules were set and no amount of letters can change that. If this is the price that needs to pay for being fair so be it. Let’s start and learn from this lesson and improve the selection process in the future.

Never build your structure in wrong foundations. Enough of “Palakasan System”. It will do more harm than good. Sadly, masyado na tayong kinain ng sistemang ito. Sending veterans for better results is a myth. Torre, Antonio, So and Paragua were included in the 2006 Olympiad, what happen then? Ayun, sa kangkungan pa rin tayo pinulot[/color].
Wesley SO at that time was just an FM. He didn't have that much impact in the team. Torre and Antonio suffered 1 loss each and that's from playing against much tougher opponents. The rest of the group suffered multiple losses.

Torre I believe faced 3 super GMs and he scored 1 win and 2 draws against them. If that's not impressive to you I don't know what is.

This is the tally of their performance two years ago. If we had then the Wesley So of now plus a steady play from JP Gomez who knows what could have been.

Stage: FINAL A RESULTS
Round: 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th pts gms + = - % ELOav ELOp pos.
Opponent: MRI LUX USA COL LTU ECU ISL CHN ROM MAS NED SUI BRA
Score: 4 2 1½ 2 2 3 3½ ½ 2 3½ 1 2 1½ 28½ 52 18 21 13 54.8 2492 2528 44.
1 GM Paragua, Mark 2617 ½ ½ ½ 0 1 0 0 1 ½ 0 ½ 4½ 11 2 5 4 40.9 2595 2530 106.
2 GM Torre, Eugenio 2543 ½ ½ ½ 0 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ 4½ 9 1 7 1 50.0 2541 2541 73.
3 GM Antonio, Rogelio jr 2539 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 1 0 ½ ½ 7 11 4 6 1 63.6 2506 2608 27.
4 Laylo, Darwin 2406 1 0 1 1 ½ 0 0 3½ 7 3 1 3 50.0 2440 2440
1 res. FM Dimakiling, Oliver 2452 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 6 9 6 0 3 66.7 2416 2541 23.
2 res. FM So, Wesley 2254 1 ½ ½ 1 0 3 5 2 2 1 60.0 2362 2434
2538 W D L D D W W L D W L D L 13 4 5 4 13 : 13
ELO Match results matches + = - MP's


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:51 am 
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Where should can I get some of those pictures taken in 1992 Chess Olympiad in Manila...I can't search in the webpage...PLEASE need your help PACLANDERS!....thanks in advance.


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