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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:25 pm 
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The penultimate round encounter with Anand ended in a draw, thus dashing all hopes of Wesley defending his title (or, at most, tying for first) in this tournament. Moreover, both Giri and Carlsen won their respective matches, placing them a point and a half ahead of Wesley in the current standings.

Wesley, playing the Black pieces, opted for the Open Ruy Lopez. It was evident that he was quite on familiar grounds with his preferred line of play as he moved fast and consumed relatively short time on his clock. In contrast, Anand spent more time in the transition stage from opening to middle game – and indeed at the final move of their encounter, Anand had only about 37 min. left on his clock as opposed to Wesley’s 1 hour and 24 min.

Despite his seeming familiarity with the chosen line of play, Wesley could not make any headway against Anand’s precise judgment of the positional transformations. When the smoke cleared after a series of simplifying exchanges, the final position reduced to that of an opposite-colored bishops ending with equal number of pawns from both sides. Draw was therefore agreed.

More power on the last remaining game. Hope Wesley can give that Chinese gal, Hou Yifan, a l!cking (with pun intended) in the final round. :D


bro enigma, is there brilliancy when wesley gave up his queen? Or wesley is just experimenting in preparation re candidates matches?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:53 pm 
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Bro malem50, which particular game you're referring to? :)

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I think Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2 then 45... Kg8 to defend his 2 pawns. It's not among the recommended moves but what do you think?

Bro Rizal, sorry but I'm a bit confused about your "Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2". Please check again the position after White's 44th move (44. Rc6) in the game versus Carlsen. White has a pawn chain on f4, g3, and h2 squares.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:29 am 
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I think Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2 then 45... Kg8 to defend his 2 pawns. It's not among the recommended moves but what do you think?

Bro Rizal, sorry but I'm a bit confused about your "Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2". Please check again the position after White's 44th move (44. Rc6) in the game versus Carlsen. White has a pawn chain on f4, g3, and h2 squares.



I mean, instead of moving 44...Kg8 at once, which let white gobble his 2 black pawns without a fight, he could have first played 44....Be5 to trade rooks and to protect his 2 remaining pawns. If white would not trade rooks, black could have still defended his 2 pawns with the rook and later on with his bishop.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:59 am 
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My boy Magnus Carlsen is again champion of Tata Steel ! Wow, have you seen his endgame prowess, simply the best chess player of this era. Sorry but he again beat your boy So :-) , nothing personal he is just a lot better than So.
Then he beat Giri in the playoff, he is simply the best in playoff games where time is short and fast thinking is a must. His brain is better than a computer!! :-)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:21 pm 
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DTruthshallmakeufree wrote:
My boy Magnus Carlsen is again champion of Tata Steel ! Wow, have you seen his endgame prowess, simply the best chess player of this era. Sorry but he again beat your boy So :-) , nothing personal he is just a lot better than So.
Then he beat Giri in the playoff, he is simply the best in playoff games where time is short and fast thinking is a must. His brain is better than a computer!! :-)


If that is your stand, why are you here wherein this site is dedicated to Wesley So? Are you here to stir the hornet's nest or you just want to boast Carlsen's feat.

I suggest you create your own forum and post there all you want about Carlsen.

I felt irritated at times with your posts. If you don't support Wes, try to respect his fans/followers here.


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tied for 5th place in this year's Tata Steel. Not that bad, you can't win them all.

Hoping Wes will bounce back big in the Candidates... More power to our boy Wesley So... 8) :) :D :angel:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:22 pm 
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rizalincarnate wrote:
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rizalincarnate wrote:
I think Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2 then 45... Kg8 to defend his 2 pawns. It's not among the recommended moves but what do you think?

Bro Rizal, sorry but I'm a bit confused about your "Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2". Please check again the position after White's 44th move (44. Rc6) in the game versus Carlsen. White has a pawn chain on f4, g3, and h2 squares.



I mean, instead of moving 44...Kg8 at once, which let white gobble his 2 black pawns without a fight, he could have first played 44....Be5 to trade rooks and to protect his 2 remaining pawns. If white would not trade rooks, black could have still defended his 2 pawns with the rook and later on with his bishop.

Bro Rizal, I think it would be a mistake to play 44...Be5 at once, as this would allow White to give the check on h8 (45.Rh8+). Black’s king can move to any square, but then White captures the rook on e8 (46.Rxe8) threatening at the same time Black’s bishop on e5. If Black replies with capturing White’s rook on c6 (46...Rxc6), White can simply gobble Black’s bishop on e5 (47.Rxe5).

On the other hand, if after 46.Rxe8 Black takes the rook on e8 with his king (46...Kxe8), White can simply play 47.Rc8+. One line might go like this: 47...Kd7, 48.fxe5 Kxc8 (48...Rg6+ 49.Kf5), 49.exf6.

In both lines above, White wins the black bishop on e5. White’s unhindered pawns on the kingside would then easily decide the outcome.

Wesley’s 44...Kg8 to prevent White’s rook check on h8 was probably the best reply.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:59 pm 
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TheEnigma wrote:
Bro malem50, which particular game you're referring to? :)


His last game, move 24 when Wes gave up his queen, then he made a bishop check to black's king before his rook takes black queen one move later. Wes could have taken back black's queen first before making a bishop check.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:11 pm 
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rizalincarnate wrote:
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rizalincarnate wrote:
I think Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2 then 45... Kg8 to defend his 2 pawns. It's not among the recommended moves but what do you think?

Bro Rizal, sorry but I'm a bit confused about your "Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2". Please check again the position after White's 44th move (44. Rc6) in the game versus Carlsen. White has a pawn chain on f4, g3, and h2 squares.



I mean, instead of moving 44...Kg8 at once, which let white gobble his 2 black pawns without a fight, he could have first played 44....Be5 to trade rooks and to protect his 2 remaining pawns. If white would not trade rooks, black could have still defended his 2 pawns with the rook and later on with his bishop.

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Bro Rizal, I think it would be a mistake to play 44...Be5 at once, as this would allow White to give the check on h8 (45.Rh8+). Black’s king can move to any square, but then White captures the rook on e8 (46.Rxe8) threatening at the same time Black’s bishop on e5. If Black replies with capturing White’s rook on c6 (46...Rxc6), White can simply gobble Black’s bishop on e5 (47.Rxe5).

On the other hand, if after 46.Rxe8 Black takes the rook on e8 with his king (46...Kxe8), White can simply play 47.Rc8+. One line might go like this: 47...Kd7, 48.fxe5 Kxc8 (48...Rg6+ 49.Kf5), 49.exf6.

In both lines above, White wins the black bishop on e5. White’s unhindered pawns on the kingside would then easily decide the outcome.

Wesley’s 44...Kg8 to prevent White’s rook check on h8 was probably the best reply.



Bro. Enigma, why would black play 45... Kg8 if he is being checked? If 45. Rh8+ Kf7 to support black's Rook on e8. If 46. Rxe8 Kxe8; If 46. Rh7+ Kg8. White cannot capture any of black's major pieces without retaliation. What's important is securing black's 2 remaining pawns. The purpose of 44. ...Be5 is to put pressure on white's pawn on b2, and at the same time protecting black's own pawn with the rook on f6 if white decides not to trade rooks and move to c2. Black could have a fighting chance because he is up with 1 bishop against 3 white pawns. Wes' move of 44... Kg8 could not have been the best move because he surrendered his remaining 2 pawns without a fight.

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Breaking news ...

GM Wesley So was invited as one of the 10 participants for the 2018 Grand Chess Tour.


https://grandchesstour.org/news-press-release/2018-grand-chess-tour-participants-event-dates-and-tour-point-regulations

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Nonetheless, I think whatever move Wes would have played instead of 44....Kg8, probably 44...Be7 or Be5 would still result to an inferior position. But at least, the 2 pawns could have been saved.

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rizalincarnate wrote:
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rizalincarnate wrote:
I think Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2 then 45... Kg8 to defend his 2 pawns. It's not among the recommended moves but what do you think?

Bro Rizal, sorry but I'm a bit confused about your "Wes could have moved 44... Be5 threatening b2 and h2". Please check again the position after White's 44th move (44. Rc6) in the game versus Carlsen. White has a pawn chain on f4, g3, and h2 squares.



I mean, instead of moving 44...Kg8 at once, which let white gobble his 2 black pawns without a fight, he could have first played 44....Be5 to trade rooks and to protect his 2 remaining pawns. If white would not trade rooks, black could have still defended his 2 pawns with the rook and later on with his bishop.

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Bro Rizal, I think it would be a mistake to play 44...Be5 at once, as this would allow White to give the check on h8 (45.Rh8+). Black’s king can move to any square, but then White captures the rook on e8 (46.Rxe8) threatening at the same time Black’s bishop on e5. If Black replies with capturing White’s rook on c6 (46...Rxc6), White can simply gobble Black’s bishop on e5 (47.Rxe5).

On the other hand, if after 46.Rxe8 Black takes the rook on e8 with his king (46...Kxe8), White can simply play 47.Rc8+. One line might go like this: 47...Kd7, 48.fxe5 Kxc8 (48...Rg6+ 49.Kf5), 49.exf6.

In both lines above, White wins the black bishop on e5. White’s unhindered pawns on the kingside would then easily decide the outcome.

Wesley’s 44...Kg8 to prevent White’s rook check on h8 was probably the best reply.


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Bro. Enigma, why would black play 45... Kg8 if he is being checked? If 45. Rh8+ Kf7 to support black's Rook on e8. If 46. Rxe8 Kxe8; If 46. Rh7+ Kg8. White cannot capture any of black's major pieces without retaliation. What's important is securing black's 2 remaining pawns. The purpose of 44. ...Be5 is to put pressure on white's pawn on b2, and at the same time protecting black's own pawn with the rook on f6 if white decides not to trade rooks and move to c2. Black could have a fighting chance because he is up with 1 bishop against 3 white pawns. Wes' move of 44... Kg8 could not have been the best move because he surrendered his remaining 2 pawns without a fight.

Bro Rizal, when I mentioned that “Black’s king can move to any square” after White’s check (45.Rh8+), I was of course referring to any ‘legal move’ by Black. Hence, Black’s king can only move forward to f7, g7, or e7 squares. After any of these legal moves by Black’s king, White can simply take the rook on e8 (46.Rxe8).

As I have shown in one variation above, if the Black king captures the rook on e8 (46...Kxe8, which you also suggested), White can simply give a check with his other rook (47.Rc8+) on the next move. After which, Black’s bishop on e5 would fall, as Black’s king would have to move away first from that other rook check.

For example, if Black moves his king to d7 (47...Kd7, threatening to capture White’s rook on c8), White would still take the black bishop on e5 (48.fxe5) since White in turn would be threatening to capture also the black rook on f6 with his pawn now on e5 (47...Kd7, 48.fxe5 Kxc8, 49.exf6). This means that White would regain his sacrificed material with tremendous advantage, courtesy of his unopposed kingside pawns.

Just try to replay the position with the notes presented above. Everything was given before, nothing has changed. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:50 pm 
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Bro malem50, which particular game you're referring to? :)


His last game, move 24 when Wes gave up his queen, then he made a bishop check to black's king before his rook takes black queen one move later. Wes could have taken back black's queen first before making a bishop check.

Bro malem50, there was no ‘brilliancy’ (in its true sense) in that last-round game. There was no ‘giving up’ of White’s queen (as in sacrificing it), but what occurred was only ‘tactical delaying’ of the capture of Black’s queen in order for White to execute a step of his combinative play.

Had White captured Black’s queen immediately on the 25th move, he would have allowed Black to capture his bishop on g6, thereby resulting in equal material for both sides. Wesley’s 27.Bh7+ move was simple to find, such that the tail-end of his combination netted him the quality and the much superior position.

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DTruthshallmakeufree wrote:
My boy Magnus Carlsen is again champion of Tata Steel ! Wow, have you seen his endgame prowess, simply the best chess player of this era. Sorry but he again beat your boy So :-) , nothing personal he is just a lot better than So.
Then he beat Giri in the playoff, he is simply the best in playoff games where time is short and fast thinking is a must. His brain is better than a computer!! :-)



Head to head -classical games
Ian Nepomniachtchi beat magnus carlsen 4 wins to 0 with 4 draws.
and your boy is supposed to be the best player of this era.
nothing personal, ian is just a lot better than magnus.


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