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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:35 pm 
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Congratulations Manny on your great win.

Without a shadow of doubt Manny Pacquiao is now the best P4P world class champion **s kicker of the world.

The old Manny showed up, power and speed combined with all around technical boxing skills.

The next opponent should be Ricky Hatton or Oscar De La Hoya, anyone else is a step down.

Links:

http://sports.yahoo.com/

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

http://sports.aol.com/fighting/story/_a ... 2009990001

http://www.boxingconfidential.com/index.php


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:49 pm 
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Well, it isn't official yet, but man, MP has to be the P4P king now, without a doubt.
MP's next fights:

- Ricky Hatton
This fight will produce the most money for PPV, etc.

- Nate Campbell
This fight will be for the hardcore boxing enthisiasts, but IMO, will not be as much as a payday as the Hatton fight.

ODH? Come on, that's just being silly.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:27 pm 
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If its possible Manny should still fight De La Hoya.

Reasons:

Oscar owns GBP, give him the best retirement party he will ever have. The financial gain for Manny is incredible.

Cash on and break Mayweather's all time $20 million dollar purse. Make the financial world and the common man stand up and notice.

Cash on Oscar's US popularity. The US is still the market, it still is the place where big money in sport is made. Despite, Manny's incredible and historic boxing exploits, he is not as well known to the average Joe and Jane in the US. Even today, the Philipines, its people nationally and internationally and hardcore boxing fans only know and follow him.

He still is not world famous to the level of Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan. And if you look closely, he is not even well known to all Fil-Ams. Thats why I advocate that Manny fight Oscar before he retires.

Its a win for everyone, GBP increases its bottom line, Manny makes mega millions, breaks the bank and the all time boxing purse, increases his popularity in depth and width in both in the US market and the world. And on top of that wins another fight.


And if Oscar is not doable, then its time to take out Ricky Hatton, the Brits and its rowdy and fanatic fans. Its time to take on the land of Led Zepplin. Let Manny take a rest on beating the Hispanic boxers and let our other Pinoy boxers do the honors.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:04 am 
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It seems like Valero will be the next opponent. In my opinion, it does not make sense. He does not have any belt to offer? He only has his Columbian and Japanese fans to offer. It makes more sense to:

Fight Oscar for the big money
Fight Ricky Hatton for fame and tap the British market
Fight Nate Campbell to consolidate the belts and be the undisputed lightweight world champion of the world.

On the other hand, I can see why Arum thinks Valero is the next logical opponent: Even though the Columbian American population in the states is small, there is still enough Latin and Hispanics that would cross over and buy the fights. Another reason is to expand boxing fans to South America and cross over the Pacific Ocean and tap the Japanese market.

Still another scenario, is to prolong the plot, add more twist and turn and create more drama in the lighweight division. Continue to keep the lightweight division fractured until the last minute. Create a large public pent up demand between the two existing lightweight champions: Manny and Nate until the time is right to unify the division.

Then go for the big enchilada, Ricky Hatton and extend the boxing market to Europe. Plans within plans - How to keep professional boxing popular and growing. I wonder if Bob Arum is an avid chess player. Maybe thats the reason why he continues to be boxing's best promoter.

See the following links on how Manny continue to evolve as a complete and better boxer:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=99336


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:12 am 
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Correction, Edwin Valero is a Venezuelan not a Columbian.

Lets just say after Manny beats Edwin, should he have a 3rd match with Juan Marquez? Why?

And with what you saw in last weeks fight against David can Manny beat Juan convincingly hands down, without a shadow of a doubt with and exclamation point the 3rd time around? what happens if Juan also improves?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:55 am 
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Like I said, if there is a chance, Manny should fight Oscar De La Hoya.

Reasons:

$2o million plus purse
Increase and renew boxing interest worldwide
Gain more US boxing fans, convert De La Hoya fan base to Manny
Introduce Philippine boxing to the casual US boxing fan



Is there any one out there that will give Manny 20 million plus purse besides Ricky Hatton?

At this current pace of $ 3 million, how many more fights does Manny need to win to make $20 million plus? Seven or more fights fighting nobodys?

While the iron is hot why not cut to the chase and fight Oscar and Ricky for a possible $40 million dollar plus purse?

Even with Manny's current popularity, he is still not known to the casual boxing fan. The only way to be as famous and marketable as Oscar, is fight Oscar. to transfer his 'mojo', to pass the crown from one ex great champion to a current great champion.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:04 am 
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LUSOB wrote:
Like I said, if there is a chance, Manny should fight Oscar De La Hoya.

Reasons:

$2o million plus purse
Increase and renew boxing interest worldwide
Gain more US boxing fans, convert De La Hoya fan base to Manny
Introduce Philippine boxing to the casual US boxing fan



Is there any one out there that will give Manny 20 million plus purse besides Ricky Hatton?

At this current pace of $ 3 million, how many more fights does Manny need to win to make $20 million plus? Seven or more fights fighting nobodys?

While the iron is hot why not cut to the chase and fight Oscar and Ricky for a possible $40 million dollar plus purse?

Even with Manny's current popularity, he is still not known to the casual boxing fan. The only way to be as famous and marketable as Oscar, is fight Oscar. to transfer his 'mojo', to pass the crown from one ex great champion to a current great champion.



20M$? Sapantaha mo lang yan bro...you're getting too excited about those fights. Good money fights sure, but $20m for pac? Is that a pac i mean fact?

cheers tayo


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:16 am 
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Team Pacquiao wants De La Hoya:
http://boxingherald.com/news/117/ARTICL ... 07-16.html

To phathom engineer;

Don't sell yourself short pare;

Inspite of inflation, job losses, financial meltdown and oil crisis, Americans are still willing to shell out $50 or more for good entertainment. For some, it cost $50 or more to attend a baseball, basketball or football games per person. This does not include your wife, children, significant other, drinks, food and souvenirs. For the fortunate people no matter what, the economy is always selectively good.

Oscar and GBP are loaded with plenty of money. They're asute businessman and are willing to shell out big money for big compelling fights. With their HBO connections, marketing program, they can easily triple their revenues. $20 million dollar plus purse can easily be recouped.

Can you imagine Oscar and Manny visiting the major bookstores and gyms promoting their fights. coast to coast visiting the top 20 cities in the US? Oscar sells his book, while Manny sells his book and posters: with his websites that sells boxing supplies, fight, music cds and movies that have english subtitles? With US fans buying souvernirs and ppv, can you imagine how much he can generate for his future political campaigns and self help programs for the poor and others?

If you were Manny how would help the poor:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=103351



For Top Rank, Bob Arum, it would also be a win sitiuation, similiar to Star Wars scenario. you have two of his greatest boxers/proteges fighting for supremacy.

If an itim, a great former P4P boxer, Floyd Mayweather can make $20 million per fight, how much more for a Pinoy, the greatest current p4p champion ever? This is the big leagues, the land of opportunities for thoses that are smart and willing to work, where the best and greatest are rewarded beyond the common man's wildest dream. Imagine David Beckman a great British soccer player, a brand name money making machine generating millions per year. All Manny needs to do is hire a voice instructor and can be as marketable if not more than these great atheletes. Even
Arnold a world class Austrian body builder with a thick accept had problems initally making it it the US. After training, he became a actor and governor.

Sports Illustrated top 50:
viewtopic.php?f=61&t=92192&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=120

Hercules in NewYork:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7MUP0FI ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSYRSgnU ... re=related


Speaking of promotions, its great that Manny is exploring business opportunities with Marco Barerra, this will give our pro boxers more promoter options on who they want to sign up with. As MP promotions continues to grow and evolve, it would be great if it continues to showcase great Filipino talents worldwide. Can you imagine the possibilities of cross selling, the possiibilities are infinite.

Famous Filipinos:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=99203

Talented musicians:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=92148

Metallica
Kirk Hammett
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Hammett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKbT3zy ... re=related

Neal McCoy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_McCoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97CGqJu ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEUZtYsi ... re=related

Robert Shoder: Flute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mn13D5hTPg
http://cdbaby.com/cd/shroder

Pussycat Dolls Stick with you
Nicole Scherzinger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Scherzinger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obdxl3fF ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFPvKGL6 ... re=related

Arnel Pineda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_2UivtEhs
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... &oq=zoo+ar


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:12 pm 
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Bob Arum is a brilliant promoter par excellence, he must have been the greatest salesman in his previous life. The classic switch and bait marketing plan filled with twist, turn and drama.

For those boxing purist, they still think that Manny should fight Soto, Valero and less popular boxers than Oscar. They still don't get the point that boxing is a sport, an entertainment and foremost big business.

After fighting for 15 years, giving your all, through blood, sweat and tears, After so much sacrifice, beating the incredible odds of being the greatest Pinoy boxer of all time, they still can't see Manny raking in all the money he deserves. With a great opportunity to make at least 7x his current salary, they still can't understand why a fighter would not be satisfied with a $3 to $6 million dollar purse.

They cannot comprehend that a talented Pinoy that produces world class results can make or should make more than a foreigner. They're still stuck in the colonial times, that a Pinoy; full blooded or not, or anyone with a Filipino descent can MANIFEST their GREATNESS, can front a foreign band or be the best in their chosen field either in the Philippines or abroad. They still think just because their skin is not white enough, or black enough, because some speak with an accent and other 1001 excuses, that they should always play second banana to foreigners, that they should only be seen not heard, or not be seen and always in the background.

They just do not realize that there are actually Pinoys in the real world that have transcended this self-imposed bondage, that is living the best life ever, who have the attitude, mindset, brains, talent, work ethic, energy, supreme confidence and follw thru TO BE THE BEST.


Maybe these are the same people who worked hard and sacrifice for 15 years, their manager tells them they are increasing their salary 7x for their years of dedication and loyalty.

They'll probably turn it down because they already have a budget in place, they'll say they don't deserve it and it might set a precedence and bankrupt the company. To each his own.

You can give your valued employee a corner office, a car, plenty of privileges, unlimited public accolades - atta boys. But if you don't pay him how much he is really worth, how much business he brings in....etc. If you don't reward the man according to his true worth and don't give him a stake in your business, then you're just disrespecting and cheating the man. Its just a matter of time before he leaves you.

For Top Rank; Bob and GBP; Oscar and other boxing promoters, they should all work together to make this event the greatest ppv and attendance ever with the capability of producing at least 2x the ppv of the all time record. It should have the pulling power of Miss Universe where more 4 billion souls watched the show last weekend.

Now is time for the boxing world to shine. It has a golden opportunity to reclaim and surpass its former glory, to bury MMA, surpass soccer, establish boxing as the most watched sport ever and gain new fans. Now is the time for boxing to jump start the world's economy.

The undercards lineup should be invincible. It should represent the very best talent from the 6 continents of the world: north america, south america, europe, asia, africa and australia. It should include the greatest boxing nations of the world, US, Philippines, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Britain.....etc. It should include white, black,brown boxers. There should be something for everyone to see whether you are a a die hard boxing fans or a casual fans.


Questions:

Given the current schedules Who should be in the undercards?

What suggestions would you give to surpass and double the all time ppv record? 2.15 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=2865349


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:24 pm 
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The people who do not want Manny to fight Oscar, are afraid of their own shadows. They are satisfied with the status quo. They are afraid of change. They don't trust themselves, they've lied to themselves so much they do not trust themselves or see themselves changing for the better. They do not change their jobs if they are not happy, they are afraid to ask for the raise because they know they did not give 100% and do not deserve it. These are the people who are petrified of change, do not go to school, to take the test or study to keep themselves current or hone their skills in their chosen field to be the best. They have already topped out in life and are just looking for retirement or just doing the minimum to avoid getting laid off.

The people advocating for Manny to fight are the go getters. They will do what ever it takes to succeed. They're already champions and have already tasted success. They are not satisfied with the status quo, they are risk takers, but are smart enough to determine between a stupid gamble and a calculated risk, they embrace change, they look forward for change, they thrive on change. Because they know that challenging themselves, improving themselves and being proactive is the only way to live up to their potential and have the best life ever. They will not be denied. They create their own luck. They know the true odds and make the prepartions to stack the odds in their favor, they trust themselves and have supreme confidence on their own skills, talent and determination, no matter what happens they already know they will win.

So if a boxer has average talent, skills and determination; then yes stay within your parameters, milk the system and be the best contender you can or be the best gate keeper you can be. Make as much money as you can and market yourself like hell. get your financial house in order, Save your money so you can go back to school, buy a string of business and invest it wisely so you have something to show when you retire, change fields and do what you were meant to do.

But Manny is not an ordinary boxer, he is not a gate keeper relegated to fight for $ 3 - $6 million purse and just defend his titles. He is an extraordinary boxer, a gate crasher who sends ex great champions to their retirement. Time and time again, he continues to win and confound naysayers and the self-appointed experts.

When in doubt, do what you fear. what if fear is God's way of talking to you, to break your own self-imposed boundaries? To became better than what you are now?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:09 am 
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This is boxing's moment to shine. Oscar fighting Manny with his 100 million Filipino fans will do more for boxing than than Cotto's 7 million Puerto Ricans fans. This does not include Oscar's millions of fans worldwide.

Now Ocar and GBP are trying to be cheap, nickel and dime Manny's $20 million purse to only $10 million. At this price, its not worth it for a smaller fighter to fight a bigger man. Where is the incentive?

The way I see it, Oscar needs Manny to make his last fight the best ever, Oscar needs Manny to immortalize his last fight that will echo through history. Cotto will not provide this challenge. Years from now no will ever remember his last fight with Cotto, no one will care about.

So its up to Oscar, does he want to be cheap and blow the last opportunity to break the all time pay per view in history? Can he live with himself, that if this is his last fight before he retires, beause he was short $10 million, he made a great mistake by not picking the best talent, the current most popular active boxer in the world to fight him?

For all his talk about making boxing more popular, giving the fans the fight they want to see and making boxing the most watched sport in the world.

Isn't $10 million difference chump change? The top global companies easily spends more money marketing their products, let alone just one product line. Think of $10 million dollars difference as advertising to make a dent on mma popularity, think of $10 million dollars diferrence as money well spent to capture and surpass boxing previous glory and propel boxing as the number 1 sport to watch in the future.

If you want steaks, lobsters, fresh food and expensive wine you have to pay top dollar.

Similarly, if you want the best boxing match ever, the best ppv ever, you need to have the best boxer to make it happen.

Marketing 101, still reigns supreme: you can fool some of the people some time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. In the end you always get what you pay for.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:26 pm 
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Greed videos: For those that work hard and need motivation:

Greed is good:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:33 pm 
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Jeeez . . . this thread is full of links. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:38 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:22 am 
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If Oscar and GBP is serious about making boxing more popular, attracting future world class atheletes in the sport, in the US and around the world....

If Oscar and GBP is serious about slowing down and making a dent on mma, wrestling and other fighting arts popularity and giving them a taste of their own medicine...

If Oscar and GBP is thinking longterm and serious about making boxing the most watched sport, if it is serious about competing competively with US football, baseball, basketball, nascar and soccer fans and viewership...give what the boxing fans want, give what the public wants, give them a reason why they should watch boxing....

If Oscar, GBP and HBO are serious about breaking and doubling the all time PPV record and increasing their bottom line.....

Establish an equivalent and fair contract. Nothing gives instant credibility like a large $ 20 million payday and a 50% share on PPv.

Think of the difference on money as marketing cost. Many large international conglomerates promote their products. Without proper and continued marketing and advertising, their market share dwindles and the bottom line suffers. In context, the price is really insignificant when compared with the current US baseball player's salary.

That is why boxing is in a cross road, if Oscar, GBP, HBO and other boxing powers that be are really serious about the health of boxing then it needs to pull the trigger and make the Oscar and Manny bout possible. Othwerwise watch boxing's market share decrease in real time slip to oblivion and insignificance.

By finalizing the contract as soon as possible where both sides are happy, there is more time to prepare, market and advertise the fight so at the very least it breaks and doubles the all time ppv record.


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