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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:25 am 
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So the the ball is still in Oscar's, GBP and HBO's corner. Its time to decide.

Questions:

Does Oscar, GBP and HBO wants to break the all time PPV record ever?

Is Oscar and company really interested in gaining new boxing fans in world?

Does Oscar want his last fight to echo to history and be remembered till time immerorial?

Are there any fights out there that will surpass and answers the questions above?

Is this your final answer? Can Oscar live with his final decision without any regrets?


If the main question is money, on how the PPV is split, why not propose a 70-30 split if the
final PPV is under 200,000.

Between 200,001 to 400,000 the split moves up to 60-40.

Any PPV above 400,001 the split moves up to 50-50.

Everybody wins.

Problem solved....next issue?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:49 am 
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Sayang, what a wasted opportunity for both sides.

Because Oscar and GBP was unable to meet Manny's demands, this proposed fight was cancelled. To bad the sliding performance scale was not do able.

Under 200,000 ppv 70/30
Under 400,000 ppv 60/40
Over 401,000 ppv 50/50


So much for creating a fight that will capitvate the casual boxing fan.

So much for attracting additional boxing fans in the US and around the world.

So much for nursing boxing back to health and stop its continued irreversible slide.

So much for generating massive amounts of $$$$ to the bottom line for Oscar, Manny, GBP and HBO.

So much for breaking the all time PPV record.

So much for saving/creating jobs and jump starting the US's economy.


In the end the powerful combination of foreign and home grown crabs won the day.

As an Amercan citizen, you would think that Oscar would rises again to help boxing and his country. Apparently not. That is the split revenue dollar question.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:29 am 
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If Manny wants to be a super global icon that spans international boundaries in depth and width, similar to Michael Jordan is to basketball, Tiger Woods is to golf and not only to the Philippines, Mexico and hardcore boxing fans then its imperative and paramount that main street USA; Joe and Jane must know him on a first name basis...

if Manny's base salary is $ 20,000,000, excluding the escalating split revenue proposal...

if Manny wants to bring Philippine boxing front and center to the living rooms to all the casual boxing fans in the states and in the world, if everything above is do able and met, then he should fight Oscar.

Otherwise, keep negotiating.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:43 am 
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LUSOB wrote:
If Manny wants to be a super global icon that spans international boundaries in depth and width, similar to Michael Jordan is to basketball, Tiger Woods is to golf and not only to the Philippines, Mexico and hardcore boxing fans then its imperative and paramount that main street USA; Joe and Jane must know him on a first name basis...

if Manny's base salary is $ 20,000,000, excluding the escalating split revenue proposal...

if Manny wants to bring Philippine boxing front and center to the living rooms to all the casual boxing fans in the states and in the world, if everything above is do able and met, then he should fight Oscar.

Otherwise, keep negotiating.

My take on this is that the proposed fight will still take place, after both sides agree to certain concessions. Pac stands to earn between 15-20 M $, enough for him to retire and live comfortably and his children's future secured, but then, after Oscar, a megabout with Hatton still beckons, and Pac surely will not turn this one down. I hope though that after these two fights, Pac returns to clean up the lightweight division, meeting Marquez somewhere down the road and handing the Mexican crybaby a beating he will never forget. :?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:16 pm 
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To jun_end73:

If this bout goes, thru Manny will put Philippine boxing in the map. Every casual boxing fan in main street USA will know who Manny is. Every one will know all about Philippine boxing. Even the average Fil-Ams will known him, cheer and follow him. If Manny makes $ 20 million base salary and the escalating split revenue which I think is fair, then he can beat Mayweather's purse record.

Under 200,000 ppv 70/30
Under 400,000 ppv 60/40
Over 401,000 ppv 50/50

After his win over Oscar, Hatton is next. And the way people are talking, maybe Mayweather might be next if he comes out of retirement. Then its Campbell, assuming if he still has a belt. After
this, I agree, then Marquez. Then finally retirement.

After Manny beats Oscar, maybe he can use some of the purse to buy a bond to start an ipo; use the money from all share holders ( Filipino nationaly and internationally ) to buy ABAP and the whole olympic program and its organizations.

Then with good people working with him and the money invested in this stock company, we can field a world class olympic program that can produce medals in the next olympic.

If the present leadership of ABAP is replaced, if its boxers can turn professional and if the professional ranks continue to improve then we will be in good shape. And when its time for our current and ex world champions to move on, we will have the next generations of world class A boxers in place to carry on.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=107230


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:41 am 
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Oscar, GBP needs to be fully aware and concious how much little they reward Manny. If they do not pay Manny, the fair market value - the going rate; $ 20 million base salary and an escalating split revenue that will meet his demands, why would any youth IN THE US or around the world pursue boxing when he can easily take up other sports: basketball and football where you can make more money and take less physical beating?

The American white boxers is practically gone and the American black boxers who use to own boxing are dwindling in numbers. The black youths are moving on and going to greener pastures. So as a major player in boxing, Oscar and GBP will either send the right message or wrong message on why boxing still is a viable economic vehicle to achieve owns dreams - does it still matter? Can it still out compete, out bid other sports in terms of money, fame, glory and prestige? Or has the world past it by. That is the ultimate question.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:58 am 
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Let the games begin. Forget about the 2008 PI programs managed by losers. This bout between Manny and Oscar is our olympics. The best representing the country instead of the worst presenting
the country.

Manny personify whatv Philippine boxing is. Manny will bring Philippine boxing to main street USA. Eveyon will know that we are not only, engineers, nurses, doctors, singers, merchant marines, domestic helpers ...but also great world class professional boxers.

Good for Oscar, doing his share, now we can jump start the US economy, Las Vegas in particular. And if you jump start the US economy, you jump start the world economy. Now pro boxing will gain more fans, will attract more world class atheletes and boxing will be center stage again.

With this purse, it would be great if Manny can buy ABAP and all the olympic organizations, fire all the losers, terminate all the self-defeating organizations to rebuild the nation's sport infrastructure. May be can still buy a bond to start an IPO so that all Pinoys in world can invest in the Philippines.

This bout is not only about Manny beating Oscar winning Fame, glory and big money.

Its about improving Philippine boxing ( olympic program and pro boxing ) and taking it to the next level. Its not just a once in a life time opportunityl - one day show, PI boxing is here to stay.

Its also exercising about pure raw economic Fil-Am power. If we double the curren world record pay per view, we send out a message to the states that Fil-Ams voters are a force to reckon win. With economic and political power, the ethnic's vested interest can better be protected.

Recently my cousin from the states, reported that Gov Arnold had plans cutting the benefits of Philippine veteran. Because of financial problems, because of no political clot, this program was on the chopping board. Can you imagine a Austrian citizen cutting the benefits of Filipinos who fought for the country and the US in World War II? How many patriots are still alive? Those that are left are probably in their 80's and 90's. Why don't Arnold cut other waste? Imagine how the family and soldiers of the Iraq and Afghanistan feel if their benefits was cut. Its time to vote out Arnold from office and all those that would cut veteran's benefits.

The Oppression of Filipinos in United States Policy: Veterans’ Benefits
http://www.aamovement.net/community/filipinovets.html

http://dist08.casen.govoffice.com/index ... 4218CB2%7D

US Senate Set to Approve Filipino Veterans Bill, Bush May Veto

http://www.californiachronicle.com/articles/59625

http://www.ops.gov.ph/usvisit2008/news7.htm

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/0 ... 500251.php



Thats why it was important this bout occur, thats why its important that the the Dec 6 PPv double and shatter the current ppv record, to manifest Manny's greatness, introduce Philippine boxing to the casual boxing fan and flex Fil-Ams economic power so its vested interest can be protected.

http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/payperview.htm


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:17 am 
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So I wonder what the ppv count is? How far are we from breaking and doubling the all time boxing ppv?

If your in the US are you talking to everyone you meet and reminding them about the fight?

Are you passing out the philboxing website to all Filipinos?

Are you supporting all Filipinos websites and blogs?

Does anybody has a lists of Filipino websites and blogs we should patronize?

Does anybody has a list of foreign websites that promote Philippine boxing and friendly to us?

So the questions is what do we get in return? What do we gain? Why should we spend time or waste time doing this.

As boxing fans we are not going to make 1 penny or 1 centavo. Unless you own these websites or create your own websites and blogs will you make money.

The real reason we do this is to bring hard currency to the country. When we promote Phillipine boxing, the boxers, the promoters their business partners and the country makes money.

Boxing is the only PRACTICAL sport that a Pinoy can excel, be recognized and become financially independent, if you make it big. Baskeball is just a hobby, its just a dream, its just a past time. Its an impractical sport, where we will ever never win, never excel, never be recognized. Like others said, we love baskeball but basketball does not love us. We should only do and concentrate on what we are good at, where we have a proven winning record of excellence, where we can make a difference and be reward accordingly.

When you promote Philippine boxing, you give an outlet, a vehicle to the poor and disenfranshised to better their lives. Boxing is just a stepping stone to a better ones life. Thats why Puerto Rico with a population of 6.7 million have 254 boxers, Mexico with a population of 134.3 million have 1821 boxers, while the Philippines with a population of 94 million has 539 boxers.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=99336

Giving comes in many forms. Some people give some do not. Some people are givers some people are takers. Some people give anonymously while some people give only when others are looking. Some people give money to a cause, others give personal time. Some partriots give, some people don't give 2 cents about their country of origin. In the end its all a matter of choice.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:49 am 
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With all the foolishness going with GAB, maybe Manny should think about geting a Nevada license to future proof his remaining fights. After all does he really need GAB, now that he is popular the only practical place to fight is Las Vegas.

And since he is already paying Uncle Sam taxes in the US, why not be a dual citizen and be an American citizen. He hedges and future proof his future and his money. Since the US government will insure up to $100,000 of money kept in the bank, he can use different banks and have peace of mind. Besides the benefits of dual citizenship he can also invest in fixed annuities which have no caps, not to mention money markets which are also guaranteed.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:30 am 
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14 more days before Manny destroys and obliberates Oscar's myth and legend.

14 more days before Manny manifest his destiny as the greatest P4P current active boxer.

14 more days before Manny reaffirms his greatness and proves all the pundits, naysayers, odd makers both national
and international, both Pinoy and foreigners.

Is time to shock the world and do what is do able its time to make it happen.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:55 am 
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4 more days before the greatest boxing event in history will commence. Part 1 is already completed - Manny has already signed the contract with boxing's most famous current money making boxer: Oscar. Part 2 - Win -show the world how great Pinoy boxers are. Part 3 - prove to the naysayers, pundits, non believers and others that Manny is the greatest P4P **s kicker in world.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:28 am 
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LUSOB wrote:
If its possible Manny should still fight De La Hoya.

Reasons:

Oscar owns GBP, give him the best retirement party he will ever have. The financial gain for Manny is incredible.

Cash on and break Mayweather's all time $20 million dollar purse. Make the financial world and the common man stand up and notice.

Cash on Oscar's US popularity. The US is still the market, it still is the place where big money in sport is made. Despite, Manny's incredible and historic boxing exploits, he is not as well known to the average Joe and Jane in the US. Even today, the Philipines, its people nationally and internationally and hardcore boxing fans only know and follow him.

He still is not world famous to the level of Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan. And if you look closely, he is not even well known to all Fil-Ams. Thats why I advocate that Manny fight Oscar before he retires.

Its a win for everyone, GBP increases its bottom line, Manny makes mega millions, breaks the bank and the all time boxing purse, increases his popularity in depth and width in both in the US market and the world. And on top of that wins another fight.


And if Oscar is not doable, then its time to take out Ricky Hatton, the Brits and its rowdy and fanatic fans. Its time to take on the land of Led Zepplin. Let Manny take a rest on beating the Hispanic boxers and let our other Pinoy boxers do the honors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aBGn0ym9uk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eSZ9M5c ... re=related



$20 Million is FAR from the record. oscar owns the record. manny wont make that anyway. hes gauranteed $11M and ppv cut which some, including arum and schaefer, say will total about $15M. which is still a very good purse but far, far, far from the record.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:30 am 
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To punch drunk:

You might be correct, we'll just have to see the final ppv figures. However its still a great honor for a Pinoy to even come this close making this insane money considering how the economy is. If the times were better, with the way this fight have been marketed, Floyd's ppv record should have been shattered. I believe that Floyd's fight had 5 or 6 months promotion under better economic condition. This fight was only promoted 3 months! Its already an incredible success.

Considering everthing, wasn't it a wise decision for Manny to fight Oscar, rather than other less famous boxers in his former weight class - like other boxing purist stated? How much less ppv would be generated, not counting earning the peanut purse of $3 million for 3 months of prepation and training.

People have choices, some people are comfortable earning and getting paid as litte as they can. Some people are happy earning and getting paid as much as they can or as much as the market will bear.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:39 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:32 am 
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Interesting video: Oscar will choke tomorrow, he always seems to find a way to lose big fights. Expect Manny to win tomorrow.

http://www.cybertechy.com/2008/12/manny ... -hoya.html


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