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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:45 am 
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Do you have any links for that fight? I can't find any.


no sorry, I dont have a link. I can tell you that The Ring Magazine correctly scored the bout 119-109 for Molitor in their report on the match in the March 08 issue.[/quote]

Ah ok. I was left puzzled by what the other user posted. A patsy dominating Molitor? :shock: That's why I was so eager to watch the vid.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:07 pm 
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Mijares fan wrote:
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From what I understand, Molitor has a contract to fight at Casino Rama in August. He will fight there against someone in the IBF top 15, not at MGM Grand in July. And unless Abe gets in the top 15 before they choose an opponent, he is not an option for that August bout. Abes challenge seems to be meaningless at the moment. They should be focusing their challenges on fights that actually have a chance of happening.

i think a contract to fight in MGM is better than a fight in Casino Rama???


It doesnt matter. If Molitor already signed to fight at Rama (which was indicated shortly after his April mandatory defence), he isnt going to breach his contract, just to please Abe and his manager, and its ridiculous to expect him to. Molitors camp is focused on Molitor, its not their job to go out of their way to please Abe. I doubt they give a **** about Abe at all.

a fight with Abe as an undercard for a Cotto-Margarito or a Pac-Diaz bout is a good thing for Molitor. ask any boxers if they want to be an undercard for these megafights i'll bet you they'll drop whatever commitments they have. unless of course Molitor is just chickening out. bok bok bok kayo dyan? lol

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:15 pm 
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Mijares fan wrote:
From what I understand, Molitor has a contract to fight at Casino Rama in August. He will fight there against someone in the IBF top 15, not at MGM Grand in July. And unless Abe gets in the top 15 before they choose an opponent, he is not an option for that August bout. Abes challenge seems to be meaningless at the moment. They should be focusing their challenges on fights that actually have a chance of happening.



Las Vegas' MGM Grand is way way more prestigious than Canada's Casino Rama... Molitor should try to display his boxing prowess in a much bigger venue and bigger audience...

Regarding the rankings, Concepcion's current standing is a good one;

- North American Boxing Federation (NABF) Super Bantam Champion
- WBC no. 4 ranked Super Bantam
- WBO no. 7 ranked Super Bantam

Molitor needs a tune-up fight... Concepcion, an unknown prospect might be the right opponent for this tune-up fight...

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:37 pm 
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Mijares fan wrote:
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bwahahahahaha. Molitor completely dominated 3K battery, winning 11 of 12 rounds. It wasnt even close, 3K won 1 round, I believe it was the 5th. anyone who thinks 3k won that fight knows nothing about boxing, and should probably get their eyes checked. And at least Molitor didnt lose to a fighter with an 11-25-3 record. That defines "really weak"


Do you have any links for that fight? I can't find any.


no sorry, I dont have a link. I can tell you that The Ring Magazine correctly scored the bout 119-109 for Molitor in their report on the match in the March 08 issue.

hehehe this guy acting that he knows everything about Molitor espcially when he fought 3k baterry.. you didnt watch the fight right? so how can you said that molitor completely dominate 3k baterry on that fight? maybe to much reading REMATE news paper.. hehehe.. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:43 pm 
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PaclandBoxer wrote:
Mijares fan wrote:
From what I understand, Molitor has a contract to fight at Casino Rama in August. He will fight there against someone in the IBF top 15, not at MGM Grand in July. And unless Abe gets in the top 15 before they choose an opponent, he is not an option for that August bout. Abes challenge seems to be meaningless at the moment. They should be focusing their challenges on fights that actually have a chance of happening.



Las Vegas' MGM Grand is way way more prestigious than Canada's Casino Rama... Molitor should try to display his boxing prowess in a much bigger venue and bigger audience...

Regarding the rankings, Concepcion's current standing is a good one;

- North American Boxing Federation (NABF) Super Bantam Champion
- WBC no. 4 ranked Super Bantam
- WBO no. 7 ranked Super Bantam

Molitor needs a tune-up fight... Concepcion, an unknown prospect might be the right opponent for this tune-up fight...

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There you are. It turned out Concepcion has a wider field to choose from. He is ranked 4th by WBC and 7th by WBO in the superbantam. So I think Concepcion doesn't have to insist on fighting Molitor. He should go after the champions of WBC and WBO where he is highly ranked.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:51 pm 
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There you are. It turned out Concepcion has a wider field to choose from. He is ranked 4th by WBC and 7th by WBO in the superbantam. So I think Concepcion doesn't have to insist on fighting Molitor. He should go after the champions of WBC and WBO where he is highly ranked.


If he wants to challenge Molitor he can do so. He has a venue and a date and I'm sure a worthy purse, up to Molitor to accept. If others have something to offer, let them do so...the only problem I see is that if none of the IBF-ranked fighters can offer anything better that what toprank is offering Molitor to defend against Concepcion....fighting at the MGM Grand as a supporting bout for one of the most awaited fights of the year? I doubt if Molitor would rather fight in Cebu or Bangkok against an IBF ranked fighter... :lol: unless of course he's afraid..errr IBF doesn't give their thumbs-up. 8)


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:00 pm 
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There you are. It turned out Concepcion has a wider field to choose from. He is ranked 4th by WBC and 7th by WBO in the superbantam. So I think Concepcion doesn't have to insist on fighting Molitor. He should go after the champions of WBC and WBO where he is highly ranked.


If he wants to challenge Molitor he can do so. He has a venue and a date and I'm sure a worthy purse, up to Molitor to accept. If others have something to offer, let them do so...the only problem I see is that if none of the IBF-ranked fighters can offer anything better that what toprank is offering Molitor to defend against Concepcion....fighting at the MGM Grand as a supporting bout for one of the most awaited fights of the year? I doubt if Molitor would rather fight in Cebu or Bangkok against an IBF ranked fighter... :lol: unless of course he's afraid..errr IBF doesn't give their thumbs-up. 8)

i have no doubt if any of our Pinoy champs will be invited to fight as an undercard to a megafight event like that, they'll fight anyone just to grab the oppurtunity.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:06 pm 
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OPLOK123 wrote:
PaclandBoxer wrote:
Mijares fan wrote:
From what I understand, Molitor has a contract to fight at Casino Rama in August. He will fight there against someone in the IBF top 15, not at MGM Grand in July. And unless Abe gets in the top 15 before they choose an opponent, he is not an option for that August bout. Abes challenge seems to be meaningless at the moment. They should be focusing their challenges on fights that actually have a chance of happening.



Las Vegas' MGM Grand is way way more prestigious than Canada's Casino Rama... Molitor should try to display his boxing prowess in a much bigger venue and bigger audience...

Regarding the rankings, Concepcion's current standing is a good one;

- North American Boxing Federation (NABF) Super Bantam Champion
- WBC no. 4 ranked Super Bantam
- WBO no. 7 ranked Super Bantam

Molitor needs a tune-up fight... Concepcion, an unknown prospect might be the right opponent for this tune-up fight...

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There you are. It turned out Concepcion has a wider field to choose from. He is ranked 4th by WBC and 7th by WBO in the superbantam. So I think Concepcion doesn't have to insist on fighting Molitor. He should go after the champions of WBC and WBO where he is highly ranked.


Yes Mr. OPLOK, Abe has a lot of options and Molitor should realize that he got some special attention from Team Concepcion... It's Team Concepcion's decision to pursue the Molitor fight... They see something in Molitor that they might want to exploit... :wink: As a fan of Abe, I see it as a good career decision and I support it...

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:08 pm 
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PaclandBoxer wrote:
Yes Mr. OPLOK, Abe has a lot of options and Molitor should realize that he got some special attention from Team Concepcion... It's Team Concepcion's decision to pursue the Molitor fight... They see something in Molitor that they might want to exploit... :wink: As a fan of Abe, I see it as a good career decision and I support it...
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Some Paclanders don"t like the idea of Concepcion fighting Molitor because he'll be skipping over their IBF-ranked idol. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:15 pm 
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PaclandBoxer wrote:
OPLOK123 wrote:

There you are. It turned out Concepcion has a wider field to choose from. He is ranked 4th by WBC and 7th by WBO in the superbantam. So I think Concepcion doesn't have to insist on fighting Molitor. He should go after the champions of WBC and WBO where he is highly ranked.


Yes Mr. OPLOK, Abe has a lot of options and Molitor should realize that he got some special attention from Team Concepcion... It's Team Concepcion's decision to pursue the Molitor fight... They see something in Molitor that they might want to exploit... :wink: As a fan of Abe, I see it as a good career decision and I support it...

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The problem sir is that even if Molitor agrees to fight Concepcion, the IBF will not sanction it. And if Molitor insists on fighting Concepcion who is not ranked by the IBF, there's that big possibility of the IBF stripping Molitor of his title. I think that's the reason why Molitor have to abide by the decision of the IBF. It is not about Molitor is chickening out as what other posters and even Jaro is implying.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:21 pm 
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OPLOK123 wrote:
There you are. It turned out Concepcion has a wider field to choose from. He is ranked 4th by WBC and 7th by WBO in the superbantam. So I think Concepcion doesn't have to insist on fighting Molitor. He should go after the champions of WBC and WBO where he is highly ranked.


If he wants to challenge Molitor he can do so. He has a venue and a date and I'm sure a worthy purse, up to Molitor to accept. If others have something to offer, let them do so...the only problem I see is that if none of the IBF-ranked fighters can offer anything better that what toprank is offering Molitor to defend against Concepcion....fighting at the MGM Grand as a supporting bout for one of the most awaited fights of the year? I doubt if Molitor would rather fight in Cebu or Bangkok against an IBF ranked fighter... :lol: unless of course he's afraid..errr IBF doesn't give their thumbs-up. 8)


Of course Concepcion can always issue a challenge to Molitor or to any other title holders in his division. It is his absolute right to challenge any current champion. But whether a champion accepts it or not is the big question. In the case of IBF, Molitor cannot do anything but to abide by the IBF's decision that Concepcion is not ranked by them so he is not an option at this time. If Molitor insists on fighting Concepcion, there's that big possibility that he will be stripped of his title. And that Molitor I think cannot afford to lose his title by default.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:27 pm 
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Of course Concepcion can always issue a challenge to Molitor or to any other title holders in his division. It is his absolute right to challenge any current champion. But whether a champion accepts it or not is the big question. In the case of IBF, Molitor cannot do anything but to abide by the IBF's decision that Concepcion is not ranked by them so he is not an option at this time. If Molitor insists on fighting Concepcion, there's that big possibility that he will be stripped of his title. And that Molitor I think cannot afford to lose his title by default.


Well, Molitor does seem to have an honest to goodness way of steering clear of a dangerous opponent right? "IBF cannot allow the fight" right...

Stripped of a title yes, if he lost. And the fight is not for the title since the IBF will not sanction it. So the IBF is in a position to demand extra and they're making sure they make that clear by issuing a statement "you want a shot at our champ, you need to be rated...you want to be rated? It will cost you" 8)


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:33 pm 
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badboypeenoy wrote:
OPLOK123 wrote:
Of course Concepcion can always issue a challenge to Molitor or to any other title holders in his division. It is his absolute right to challenge any current champion. But whether a champion accepts it or not is the big question. In the case of IBF, Molitor cannot do anything but to abide by the IBF's decision that Concepcion is not ranked by them so he is not an option at this time. If Molitor insists on fighting Concepcion, there's that big possibility that he will be stripped of his title. And that Molitor I think cannot afford to lose his title by default.


Well, Molitor does seem to have an honest to goodness way of steering clear of a dangerous opponent right? "IBF cannot allow the fight" right...


Well, I am not about to paint black on Molitor's decision to abide by the IBF's ruling. Whether Concepcion did have an honest to goodness way of steering clear is for me a matter of opinion. Your opinion. Fine with me.


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Well, I am not about to paint black on Molitor's decision to abide by the IBF's ruling. Whether Concepcion did have an honest to goodness way of steering clear is for me a matter of opinion. Your opinion. Fine with me.


Let me put it this way, if one of our champs...say Nietes is challenged by Eagle Kyowa who isn"t rated by the WBO...Nietes will earn dollars, and fight under Cotto-Margarito...his US debut. He wins he gets more fights in the states, earn more dollars, get name-recall etc etc but the WBO says they cannot allow such fight because Kyowa isn't rated. What would Nietes' handlers do? To add insult to injury, Kyowa's fans start saying that Nietes chickened out... :lol:


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badboypeenoy wrote:
OPLOK123 wrote:
Well, I am not about to paint black on Molitor's decision to abide by the IBF's ruling. Whether Concepcion did have an honest to goodness way of steering clear is for me a matter of opinion. Your opinion. Fine with me.


Let me put it this way, if one of our champs...say Nietes is challenged by Eagle Kyowa who isn"t rated by the WBO...Nietes will earn dollars, and fight under Cotto-Margarito...his US debut. He wins he gets more fights in the states, earn more dollars, get name-recall etc etc but the WBO says they cannot allow such fight because Kyowa isn't rated. What would Nietes' handlers do? To add insult to injury, Kyowa's fans start saying that Nietes chickened out... :lol:


Let Eagle Kyowa issue a challenge first to Donnie Nietes. And let's see what would be the ruling of the WBO. And what would be the reaction of Nietes' handlers based on the WBO ruling. In the absence of these facts, I cannot react on pure speculations. So, no comment on that for now.


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