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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:19 am 
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We all know from the start that this was an uphill battle for Abe. It should never been set up to begin with. Abe's got the raw power to stop JuanMa. He doesn't have the skill. I agree he needs more than Buboy, Neri in his corner. He needs a real coach and conditioning guru.

In that fight, Abe need to close the gap to reach JuanMa. But, he didn't need to stay longer a second more. Well, back to square one. He should REALLY learn from this defeat.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:26 am 
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Filipino crab mentality at its best. :?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:49 am 
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el critico wrote:
with all the negative writeups, no doubt abe could be a future hall of shamer :biglaugh:


Hall Of Shamer:
(1.) Shame Mosley- for engaging in a scripted fight.
(2.) Oscar De La Hoya - for quiting against Pac then too much excuses.
(3.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.- for continously evading Pac.
(4.) el critico - for always siding with Satan, Demon and Diablo. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

About the topic, as the trainer, Buboy can be partly blamed.
After the 1st round, he should had lambasted Abe to high heavens, woke him up
not to engage JuanMa in a toe to toe battle, use lateral movements, jabs, use his
footwork, have patience and study the style of JML in the first 4 rounds and unleash his
punches with proper timing.
But the problem is, even how genius the trainer/ coach is if his fighter won't listen,
any game plan will go to naught and the chances of winning is dim.

P.S. I noticed that Abe's bulky body can't enable him to employ proper body and head
movements.I think he must trim down his body built to make him faster and go to the
lower weight division where he has bigger chances of dominating his opponents.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:33 am 
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Ir0nM4n wrote:
We all know from the start that this was an uphill battle for Abe. It should never been set up to begin with. Abe's got the raw power to stop JuanMa. He doesn't have the skill. I agree he needs more than Buboy, Neri in his corner. He needs a real coach and conditioning guru.

In that fight, Abe need to close the gap to reach JuanMa. But, he didn't need to stay longer a second more. Well, back to square one. He should REALLY learn from this defeat.


agreed


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:53 am 
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tagacapitolio wrote:
STOP blaming buboy even Freddie Roach cant train the DONKEY ABE to run like a thorough breed.

abe is another randy suidco and bb bautista. magaling lang kung ang kalaban walang kuwenta.

give abe all the tricycle drivers and the can tomatos that is where he is good.



para na rin bang Bazooka? (trans: you did not mention Bazooka Banal) ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:07 pm 
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binaboy ni buboy ung gameplan


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:19 am 
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dwight wrote:
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Going toe-to-toe right at the opening bell is the right game plan against JuanMa?? :( :(



know your fighter first...wtf he will do...even penalosa a great boxer doesnt have a chance even in defensive style.even luevano...come on...abe style is brawling ...he got more chances there to win to the style he knows...i guess we all know who is this 2 fighters were talking about right....we know the levels..the chances...right..wtf...

Yes, Abe is a brawler, and that's his only chance..a lucky punch..
But do you think going toe-to-toe right at the opening bell is a good gameplan? :(
I don't think so..
He should have measured JuanMa first before letting go of his haymaker..
Who knows that would be enough to put JuanMa to sleep..
I don't belittle Abe as I know he has the power to be a champion..
I am blaming Buboy for his loss.. :(



disagree,your not crediting juanma is a great fighter your just looking at abe's fall..measuring it or not aint gonna change the scenario abe came to win not to measure..even pacquiao rush in early rounds...juanma have a better skills prolonging the fight will not change anything because of that...the level is too high...our fighter lose...no more blaming..


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:45 am 
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.....both are victims of swindler koncz!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:51 am 
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kajo wrote:
godofredo wrote:
what abe need is a real trainer...a former boxer and not coming from the kitchen.


The best trainer in the game today, Coach Freddie gave up on Abe.
Go figure, dude.


Not according to Roach Kaj's.

“Before his last fight, I was working with [Concepcion] as usual,” Roach told me Monday afternoon at the Wild Card, “and Mike Koncz told me I was no longer in charge and that Buboy was in charge of all of Manny’s fighters. I said no problem. So now [Buboy-trained and Koncz-managed fighters] have lost five in a row. And the thing is Buboy is a great guy and a real good helper but he doesn’t have the experience in a world title-type situation to handle these guys. I mean, Buboy is a nice kid and he has learned, and so forth, but he’s just not a lead guy yet. He doesn’t have the mindset of a boxer to me.”

Here's the complete article: http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Gabriel/Montoya071310.htm


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:28 am 
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dwight wrote:
xzworks wrote:
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Going toe-to-toe right at the opening bell is the right game plan against JuanMa?? :( :(



know your fighter first...wtf he will do...even penalosa a great boxer doesnt have a chance even in defensive style.even luevano...come on...abe style is brawling ...he got more chances there to win to the style he knows...i guess we all know who is this 2 fighters were talking about right....we know the levels..the chances...right..wtf...

Yes, Abe is a brawler, and that's his only chance..a lucky punch..
But do you think going toe-to-toe right at the opening bell is a good gameplan? :(
I don't think so..
He should have measured JuanMa first before letting go of his haymaker..
Who knows that would be enough to put JuanMa to sleep..
I don't belittle Abe as I know he has the power to be a champion..
I am blaming Buboy for his loss.. :(
xzworks wrote:


disagree,your not crediting juanma is a great fighter your just looking at abe's fall..measuring it or not aint gonna change the scenario abe came to win not to measure..even pacquiao rush in early rounds...juanma have a better skills prolonging the fight will not change anything because of that...the level is too high...our fighter lose...no more blaming..

I give credit to JuanMa as a great fighter..
That's why I only gave Abe a puncher's chance to win the fight.. :(
Pls try to read my post..
Yes, because JuanMa is much much higher than Abe, going toe-to-toe right at the opening bell is not the best way to defeat him.
At least prolonging the fight increases Abe's time to land a lucky punch..
And a lucky punch is not far-fetched as he was able to land one which sent JuanMa to the canvas..
IMO, I still blame Buboy for Abe's loss.. :(


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:28 am 
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come on guys, at this point of abe's career and with the skills he has, even with the best coach / trainer / phsyc coach, he won't do any good against JML. His only chance of winning is to connect one haymaker and hope for the best... Maybe buboy's aware of this to let him engage jml toe-to-toe...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:48 pm 
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abe is the FIRST boxer to knock down juanma... and with the FIRST punch he threw. it just seems like abe leaves his chin open and closes his eyes when he throws hooks.. coachfreddy should train him on his defense but that kid has alot of power and speed that juanma didn't see it comming... abe still has alot of potential, i hope he gets better from that k.o


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:54 pm 
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DaBizz wrote:
kajo wrote:
godofredo wrote:
what abe need is a real trainer...a former boxer and not coming from the kitchen.


The best trainer in the game today, Coach Freddie gave up on Abe.
Go figure, dude.


Not according to Roach Kaj's.

“Before his last fight, I was working with [Concepcion] as usual,” Roach told me Monday afternoon at the Wild Card, “and Mike Koncz told me I was no longer in charge and that Buboy was in charge of all of Manny’s fighters. I said no problem. So now [Buboy-trained and Koncz-managed fighters] have lost five in a row. And the thing is Buboy is a great guy and a real good helper but he doesn’t have the experience in a world title-type situation to handle these guys. I mean, Buboy is a nice kid and he has learned, and so forth, but he’s just not a lead guy yet. He doesn’t have the mindset of a boxer to me.”

Here's the complete article: http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Gabriel/Montoya071310.htm


thanks for the article... sums up everything... konks damnned five fights in row, manny still can't see it. if roach was to train abe, juanma would've went down again.. and probably not get back up..


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:00 pm 
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DaBizz wrote:
kajo wrote:
godofredo wrote:
what abe need is a real trainer...a former boxer and not coming from the kitchen.


The best trainer in the game today, Coach Freddie gave up on Abe.
Go figure, dude.


Not according to Roach Kaj's.

“Before his last fight, I was working with [Concepcion] as usual,” Roach told me Monday afternoon at the Wild Card, “and Mike Koncz told me I was no longer in charge and that Buboy was in charge of all of Manny’s fighters. I said no problem. So now [Buboy-trained and Koncz-managed fighters] have lost five in a row. And the thing is Buboy is a great guy and a real good helper but he doesn’t have the experience in a world title-type situation to handle these guys. I mean, Buboy is a nice kid and he has learned, and so forth, but he’s just not a lead guy yet. He doesn’t have the mindset of a boxer to me.”

Here's the complete article: http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Gabriel/Montoya071310.htm


If you're an expert like Roach, you would definitely know who is a neophyte/bagito...


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:07 pm 
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DaBizz wrote:
kajo wrote:
godofredo wrote:
what abe need is a real trainer...a former boxer and not coming from the kitchen.


The best trainer in the game today, Coach Freddie gave up on Abe.
Go figure, dude.


Not according to Roach Kaj's.

“Before his last fight, I was working with [Concepcion] as usual,” Roach told me Monday afternoon at the Wild Card, “and Mike Koncz told me I was no longer in charge and that Buboy was in charge of all of Manny’s fighters. I said no problem. So now [Buboy-trained and Koncz-managed fighters] have lost five in a row. And the thing is Buboy is a great guy and a real good helper but he doesn’t have the experience in a world title-type situation to handle these guys. I mean, Buboy is a nice kid and he has learned, and so forth, but he’s just not a lead guy yet. He doesn’t have the mindset of a boxer to me.”

Here's the complete article: http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Gabriel/Montoya071310.htm
Fists_of_Fury wrote:

If you're an expert like Roach, you would definitely know who is a neophyte/bagito...

To sum it all, Buboy should be held accountable for Abe's loss.. :(


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