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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:01 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:05 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:08 am 
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hahaha....

if oscar didnt fire roach.... oscars training is ideal


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:23 am 
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Roach is right, if the fighter wants to lose weight he should do it 3 to 4 days before the fight. Perhaps it is Oscar's inexperience of losing weight that he experimented the program. Well... it is almost 100% Oscar will lose this fight in a devastating manner. As Oscar said it will be a CATASTROPHIC!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:24 am 
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jjcross wrote:
Roach is right, if the fighter wants to lose weight he should do it 3 to 4 days before the fight. Perhaps it is Oscar's inexperience of losing weight that he experimented the program. Well... it is almost 100% Oscar will lose this fight in a devastating manner. As Oscar said it will be a CATASTROPHIC!!!



inexperienceD?
almost every fighter are trained to lose weight in every fight... :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:30 am 
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zaten wrote:
jjcross wrote:
Roach is right, if the fighter wants to lose weight he should do it 3 to 4 days before the fight. Perhaps it is Oscar's inexperience of losing weight that he experimented the program. Well... it is almost 100% Oscar will lose this fight in a devastating manner. As Oscar said it will be a CATASTROPHIC!!!



inexperienceD?
almost every fighter are trained to lose weight in every fight... :lol:




NO... not Oscar he fights with his natural weight all his life except this one.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:41 am 
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jjcross wrote:
zaten wrote:
jjcross wrote:
Roach is right, if the fighter wants to lose weight he should do it 3 to 4 days before the fight. Perhaps it is Oscar's inexperience of losing weight that he experimented the program. Well... it is almost 100% Oscar will lose this fight in a devastating manner. As Oscar said it will be a CATASTROPHIC!!!



inexperienceD?
almost every fighter are trained to lose weight in every fight... :lol:




NO... not Oscar he fights with his natural weight all his life except this one.



oscar will not be dehydrated on dec 6 because you've mentioned that oscar is 145 now.........


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:51 am 
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almost every fighter are trained to lose weight in every fight... :lol:[/quote]



NO... not Oscar he fights with his natural weight all his life except this one.[/quote]


oscar will not be dehydrated on dec 6 because you've mentioned that oscar is 145 now.........[/quote]

He is already dehydrated, don't you read some news ? No wonder you've got nothing in your head.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:53 am 
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jjcross wrote:
inexperienceD?
almost every fighter are trained to lose weight in every fight... :lol:




NO... not Oscar he fights with his natural weight all his life except this one.[/quote]


oscar will not be dehydrated on dec 6 because you've mentioned that oscar is 145 now.........[/quote]

He is already dehydrated, don't you read some news ? No wonder you've got nothing in your head.[/quote]


hahaha..... why is he dehydrated?? did he stop taking fluids? deym.... you use your head first


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:59 am 
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oscar will not be dehydrated on dec 6 because you've mentioned that oscar is 145 now.........[/quote]

He is already dehydrated, don't you read some news ? No wonder you've got nothing in your head.[/quote]


hahaha..... why is he dehydrated?? did he stop taking fluids? deym.... you use your head first[/quote]


You have no idea zaten don't embarrass yourself by asking too much. When an athlete is on losing weight program you have a very limited access to fluid otherwise the weight will go back up. Reducing weight is about taking out fluids in your system. Of course you can't cut your flesh somewhere.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:05 am 
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jjcross wrote:
oscar will not be dehydrated on dec 6 because you've mentioned that oscar is 145 now.........


He is already dehydrated, don't you read some news ? No wonder you've got nothing in your head.[/quote]


hahaha..... why is he dehydrated?? did he stop taking fluids? deym.... you use your head first[/quote]


You have no idea zaten don't embarrass yourself by asking too much. When an athlete is on losing weight program you have a very limited access to fluid otherwise the weight will go back up. Reducing weight is about taking out fluids in your system. Of course you can't cut your flesh somewhere.[/quote]


wow.... yeah youre an expert indeed..... ! self proclaimed!
i dont have to tell you what sports ive been to. but i mentioned it before.....
what's the use of the nutritionist and trainers if they dont watch the weight and fluid intake....
do i have to send you other reports that oscar feels good in his wt. right now?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:18 am 
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zaten wrote:
jjcross wrote:
oscar will not be dehydrated on dec 6 because you've mentioned that oscar is 145 now.........


He is already dehydrated, don't you read some news ? No wonder you've got nothing in your head.



hahaha..... why is he dehydrated?? did he stop taking fluids? deym.... you use your head first[/quote]


You have no idea zaten don't embarrass yourself by asking too much. When an athlete is on losing weight program you have a very limited access to fluid otherwise the weight will go back up. Reducing weight is about taking out fluids in your system. Of course you can't cut your flesh somewhere.[/quote]


wow.... yeah youre an expert indeed..... ! self proclaimed!
i dont have to tell you what sports ive been to. but i mentioned it before.....
what's the use of the nutritionist and trainers if they dont watch the weight and fluid intake....
do i have to send you other reports that oscar feels good in his wt. right now?[/quote]


I've been there zaten too many times, this is Oscar's first time to lose weight. When an athletes says he feels good while losing weight he is a liar. Athlete are voracious eater but when you lose weight you just can't eat one pound every meal including water. You will starve yourself like hell. And Oscar said he feels good!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:22 am 
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jjcross wrote:
zaten wrote:
jjcross wrote:
oscar will not be dehydrated on dec 6 because you've mentioned that oscar is 145 now.........


He is already dehydrated, don't you read some news ? No wonder you've got nothing in your head.



hahaha..... why is he dehydrated?? did he stop taking fluids? deym.... you use your head first



You have no idea zaten don't embarrass yourself by asking too much. When an athlete is on losing weight program you have a very limited access to fluid otherwise the weight will go back up. Reducing weight is about taking out fluids in your system. Of course you can't cut your flesh somewhere.[/quote]


wow.... yeah youre an expert indeed..... ! self proclaimed!
i dont have to tell you what sports ive been to. but i mentioned it before.....
what's the use of the nutritionist and trainers if they dont watch the weight and fluid intake....
do i have to send you other reports that oscar feels good in his wt. right now?[/quote]


I've been there zaten too many times, this is Oscar's first time to lose weight. When an athletes says he feels good while losing weight he is a liar. Athlete are voracious eater but when you lose weight you just can't eat one pound every meal including water. You will starve yourself like hell. And Oscar said he feels good![/quote]


and mannys telling the truth right??
hahahahahah...... that he took this fight not for the money?? right??


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:28 am 
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Cutting weight is different from losing weight. Cutting weight is temporary and usually invloves dehydration. Losing weight is over a longer period of time and will compose of losing some kind of body mass whether it be fat or lean muscle tissue, sometimes both. To lose weight, you have to eat less so your body will have to use fat reserves for fuel instead of the food intake, and hopefully most of the weight loss id from fat. But, if you lose weight too fast, your body catabolizes and you end up losing lean muscle tissue along the way, and from that, one will feel drained and weaker, especially during a hard training camp. That could probably be why ODH got beat up by Ortiz as he didn't have the proper food intake (fuel) to give him the energy to spar. He was starving himself too early. It's best to starve yourself a few days before the fight as the hard part of training, all the sparring is already done, and you can focus on just making weight.

CUTTING weight, is not too harmful if done right and in moderation. For an average person with an average build, cutting no more than 10 pounds of water weight if the weigh-ins the day before is ideal. More than that, and that is dangerous and you can run into some health problems. Also you have to manipulate your sodium intake as sodium holds water.

You also have to load your body with water about 2 weeks before the weigh-in. When you keep drinking a lot of water (2 gallons a day) your body will get used to flushing water out of your body at a high rate. Then all of a sudden, you stop drinking water (maybe the day before you weigh in) and your body will still be used to flushing water out of your system at a high rate. You do some cardio with warm clothing, jump in the sauna, etc, and you will just keep sweating and sweating and before you know it, you're 10 pounds lighter. Now all you have to do is weigh in and then rehydrate for the fight.

Believe me, I'd rather cut weight for a few hours than starve myself for weeks. That is why Pac always goes into the fight the next day bigger than what he weighed in at. ADVANTAGE: Pacquiao


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