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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:33 am 
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blastman1 wrote:
Cutting weight is different from losing weight. Cutting weight is temporary and usually invloves dehydration. Losing weight is over a longer period of time and will compose of losing some kind of body mass whether it be fat or lean muscle tissue, sometimes both. To lose weight, you have to eat less so your body will have to use fat reserves for fuel instead of the food intake, and hopefully most of the weight loss id from fat. But, if you lose weight too fast, your body catabolizes and you end up losing lean muscle tissue along the way, and from that, one will feel drained and weaker, especially during a hard training camp. That could probably be why ODH got beat up by Ortiz as he didn't have the proper food intake (fuel) to give him the energy to spar. He was starving himself too early. It's best to starve yourself a few days before the fight as the hard part of training, all the sparring is already done, and you can focus on just making weight.

CUTTING weight, is not too harmful if done right and in moderation. For an average person with an average build, cutting no more than 10 pounds of water weight if the weigh-ins the day before is ideal. More than that, and that is dangerous and you can run into some health problems. Also you have to manipulate your sodium intake as sodium holds water.

You also have to load your body with water about 2 weeks before the weigh-in. When you keep drinking a lot of water (2 gallons a day) your body will get used to flushing water out of your body at a high rate. Then all of a sudden, you stop drinking water (maybe the day before you weigh in) and your body will still be used to flushing water out of your system at a high rate. You do some cardio with warm clothing, jump in the sauna, etc, and you will just keep sweating and sweating and before you know it, you're 10 pounds lighter. Now all you have to do is weigh in and then rehydrate for the fight.

Believe me, I'd rather cut weight for a few hours than starve myself for weeks. That is why Pac always goes into the fight the next day bigger than what he weighed in at. ADVANTAGE: Pacquiao




Zaten this is straight from the mouth of the horse. The expert have spoken.


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jjcross wrote:
blastman1 wrote:
Cutting weight is different from losing weight. Cutting weight is temporary and usually invloves dehydration. Losing weight is over a longer period of time and will compose of losing some kind of body mass whether it be fat or lean muscle tissue, sometimes both. To lose weight, you have to eat less so your body will have to use fat reserves for fuel instead of the food intake, and hopefully most of the weight loss id from fat. But, if you lose weight too fast, your body catabolizes and you end up losing lean muscle tissue along the way, and from that, one will feel drained and weaker, especially during a hard training camp. That could probably be why ODH got beat up by Ortiz as he didn't have the proper food intake (fuel) to give him the energy to spar. He was starving himself too early. It's best to starve yourself a few days before the fight as the hard part of training, all the sparring is already done, and you can focus on just making weight.

CUTTING weight, is not too harmful if done right and in moderation. For an average person with an average build, cutting no more than 10 pounds of water weight if the weigh-ins the day before is ideal. More than that, and that is dangerous and you can run into some health problems. Also you have to manipulate your sodium intake as sodium holds water.

You also have to load your body with water about 2 weeks before the weigh-in. When you keep drinking a lot of water (2 gallons a day) your body will get used to flushing water out of your body at a high rate. Then all of a sudden, you stop drinking water (maybe the day before you weigh in) and your body will still be used to flushing water out of your system at a high rate. You do some cardio with warm clothing, jump in the sauna, etc, and you will just keep sweating and sweating and before you know it, you're 10 pounds lighter. Now all you have to do is weigh in and then rehydrate for the fight.

Believe me, I'd rather cut weight for a few hours than starve myself for weeks. That is why Pac always goes into the fight the next day bigger than what he weighed in at. ADVANTAGE: Pacquiao




Zaten this is straight from the mouth of the horse. The expert have spoken.


oh really???
is he there at big bear.....??
oh i forgot.... the pacman and torrecampo bout where pacman was ko....
its cutting weight right....??


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:47 am 
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zaten wrote:
jjcross wrote:
blastman1 wrote:
Cutting weight is different from losing weight. Cutting weight is temporary and usually invloves dehydration. Losing weight is over a longer period of time and will compose of losing some kind of body mass whether it be fat or lean muscle tissue, sometimes both. To lose weight, you have to eat less so your body will have to use fat reserves for fuel instead of the food intake, and hopefully most of the weight loss id from fat. But, if you lose weight too fast, your body catabolizes and you end up losing lean muscle tissue along the way, and from that, one will feel drained and weaker, especially during a hard training camp. That could probably be why ODH got beat up by Ortiz as he didn't have the proper food intake (fuel) to give him the energy to spar. He was starving himself too early. It's best to starve yourself a few days before the fight as the hard part of training, all the sparring is already done, and you can focus on just making weight.

CUTTING weight, is not too harmful if done right and in moderation. For an average person with an average build, cutting no more than 10 pounds of water weight if the weigh-ins the day before is ideal. More than that, and that is dangerous and you can run into some health problems. Also you have to manipulate your sodium intake as sodium holds water.

You also have to load your body with water about 2 weeks before the weigh-in. When you keep drinking a lot of water (2 gallons a day) your body will get used to flushing water out of your body at a high rate. Then all of a sudden, you stop drinking water (maybe the day before you weigh in) and your body will still be used to flushing water out of your system at a high rate. You do some cardio with warm clothing, jump in the sauna, etc, and you will just keep sweating and sweating and before you know it, you're 10 pounds lighter. Now all you have to do is weigh in and then rehydrate for the fight.

Believe me, I'd rather cut weight for a few hours than starve myself for weeks. That is why Pac always goes into the fight the next day bigger than what he weighed in at. ADVANTAGE: Pacquiao




Zaten this is straight from the mouth of the horse. The expert have spoken.


oh really???
is he there at big bear.....??
oh i forgot.... the pacman and torrecampo bout where pacman was ko....
its cutting weight right....??



You forgot to mention that Torrecampo is 4 inches shorter than Pacman while Pacman was losing weight to make the fight. Do you find something similar.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:49 am 
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oh really???
is he there at big bear.....??
oh i forgot.... the pacman and torrecampo bout where pacman was ko....
its cutting weight right....??[/quote]

What the heck are you talking about Zaten?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:16 am 
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"At first, I thought putting this fight together would be impossible because Manny and Oscar were in different weight classes. Then I started thinking about it. After I trained Oscar, I realized he had trouble with smaller guys and southpaws. Oscar sparred with Ivan Calderon, the former 105-pound champion, when I trained him for the Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight because I wanted someone real quick. Calderon slapped Oscar around like it was unbelievable. I said between rounds one time, “Oscar, I want you to hit him one shot to show him who’s boss.” He couldn’t do it. I got mad at him. I told him the same thing another time; we used Calderon for a couple of days. I said, “Go ahead and hit that little mother.” Again, he couldn’t do it. Calderon was too quick and had a southpaw stance, like Manny does. That’s when I thought of Manny. I knew then it was a winnable fight"
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:24 am 
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jjcross wrote:


You forgot to mention that Torrecampo is 4 inches shorter than Pacman while Pacman was losing weight to make the fight. Do you find something similar.


hey bro. why waste time arguing with a KID? just look at his avatar, it shows all the immaturity and he's also "BOBO" :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:26 am 
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I think people are fascinated with the David and Goliath story of this fight. Can the David [Manny Pacquiao] really beat the Goliath [Oscar De La Hoya]? Big vs. small. The Mexican-American vs. The Mexican Assassin, although Manny hates to be called that even though he’s beaten so many Mexican fighters. And a lot of people will be pulling for Manny, including a lot of Mexicans. We’re going to walk to the ring that night with Julio Cesar Chavez, Antonio Margarito and Erik Morales on our side. I could name five more if I had my head on straight. They’ll all be in our corner because Manny fights like a true Mexican and Oscar doesn’t. He’s always struggled to have Mexicans on his side. I still say that’s why he chose Nacho (Beristain) to train him. By choosing a true Mexican trainer, he’s trying to get true Mexican fans on his side. It doesn’t seem to be working. He does have a lot of fans, though. I know that.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:36 am 
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I've been there zaten too many times, this is Oscar's first time to lose weight. When an athletes says he feels good while losing weight he is a liar. Athlete are voracious eater but when you lose weight you just can't eat one pound every meal including water. You will starve yourself like hell. And Oscar said he feels good![/quote]


and mannys telling the truth right??
hahahahahah...... that he took this fight not for the money?? right??[/quote]

TANGA stick with the topic MONEY and WEIGHT are different .

Telling the TRUTH and LOSING WEIGHT is DIFF.

You just got OWNED!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:39 am 
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blastman1 wrote:
Cutting weight is different from losing weight. Cutting weight is temporary and usually invloves dehydration. Losing weight is over a longer period of time and will compose of losing some kind of body mass whether it be fat or lean muscle tissue, sometimes both. To lose weight, you have to eat less so your body will have to use fat reserves for fuel instead of the food intake, and hopefully most of the weight loss id from fat. But, if you lose weight too fast, your body catabolizes and you end up losing lean muscle tissue along the way, and from that, one will feel drained and weaker, especially during a hard training camp. That could probably be why ODH got beat up by Ortiz as he didn't have the proper food intake (fuel) to give him the energy to spar. He was starving himself too early. It's best to starve yourself a few days before the fight as the hard part of training, all the sparring is already done, and you can focus on just making weight.

CUTTING weight, is not too harmful if done right and in moderation. For an average person with an average build, cutting no more than 10 pounds of water weight if the weigh-ins the day before is ideal. More than that, and that is dangerous and you can run into some health problems. Also you have to manipulate your sodium intake as sodium holds water.

You also have to load your body with water about 2 weeks before the weigh-in. When you keep drinking a lot of water (2 gallons a day) your body will get used to flushing water out of your body at a high rate. Then all of a sudden, you stop drinking water (maybe the day before you weigh in) and your body will still be used to flushing water out of your system at a high rate. You do some cardio with warm clothing, jump in the sauna, etc, and you will just keep sweating and sweating and before you know it, you're 10 pounds lighter. Now all you have to do is weigh in and then rehydrate for the fight.

Believe me, I'd rather cut weight for a few hours than starve myself for weeks. That is why Pac always goes into the fight the next day bigger than what he weighed in at. ADVANTAGE: Pacquiao


...amen. some things I should have learned when I was a kindergarten. The only way to loose weight then was by taking a bath.... hehehehe

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:52 am 
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I dont know what Oscar has to do to make it clear that he is not having any problems with weight, here we are 17 days away from the fight, and he has already hit weight. What else is there to say? He has said he feels strong , he has said he feels comfortable. How can anyone misinterpret that? Oscar is a pro and is surrounded by specialists, they know what they are doing...very frustrating. :banghead:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:56 am 
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zaten wrote:
hahaha....

if oscar didnt fire roach.... oscars training is ideal


Capital "C"

CORNY!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:59 am 
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zaten wrote:
jjcross wrote:
blastman1 wrote:
Cutting weight is different from losing weight. Cutting weight is temporary and usually invloves dehydration. Losing weight is over a longer period of time and will compose of losing some kind of body mass whether it be fat or lean muscle tissue, sometimes both. To lose weight, you have to eat less so your body will have to use fat reserves for fuel instead of the food intake, and hopefully most of the weight loss id from fat. But, if you lose weight too fast, your body catabolizes and you end up losing lean muscle tissue along the way, and from that, one will feel drained and weaker, especially during a hard training camp. That could probably be why ODH got beat up by Ortiz as he didn't have the proper food intake (fuel) to give him the energy to spar. He was starving himself too early. It's best to starve yourself a few days before the fight as the hard part of training, all the sparring is already done, and you can focus on just making weight.

CUTTING weight, is not too harmful if done right and in moderation. For an average person with an average build, cutting no more than 10 pounds of water weight if the weigh-ins the day before is ideal. More than that, and that is dangerous and you can run into some health problems. Also you have to manipulate your sodium intake as sodium holds water.

You also have to load your body with water about 2 weeks before the weigh-in. When you keep drinking a lot of water (2 gallons a day) your body will get used to flushing water out of your body at a high rate. Then all of a sudden, you stop drinking water (maybe the day before you weigh in) and your body will still be used to flushing water out of your system at a high rate. You do some cardio with warm clothing, jump in the sauna, etc, and you will just keep sweating and sweating and before you know it, you're 10 pounds lighter. Now all you have to do is weigh in and then rehydrate for the fight.

Believe me, I'd rather cut weight for a few hours than starve myself for weeks. That is why Pac always goes into the fight the next day bigger than what he weighed in at. ADVANTAGE: Pacquiao




Zaten this is straight from the mouth of the horse. The expert have spoken.


oh really???
is he there at big bear.....??
oh i forgot.... the pacman and torrecampo bout where pacman was ko....
its cutting weight right....??


Bloody corny....zaten dude!!!!

Very poor comprehension.

Bwahahahahaha!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:12 am 
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Remember this paclanders.....the handle 'zaten' will just naturally vanish after december 6th. It will transform into a new handle just the same way this guy hiding behind this handle transform it from brainfailure13 to zaten after the Pacman annihilated DDD.

Mark my word...a new handle will come out from nowhere after december 6th as zaten is laid down into his tomb side by side with his old handle brainfailure13......

You can still recognize him though his moronic posts and replies...


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:32 am 
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blastman1 wrote:
Cutting weight is different from losing weight. Cutting weight is temporary and usually invloves dehydration. Losing weight is over a longer period of time and will compose of losing some kind of body mass whether it be fat or lean muscle tissue, sometimes both. To lose weight, you have to eat less so your body will have to use fat reserves for fuel instead of the food intake, and hopefully most of the weight loss id from fat. But, if you lose weight too fast, your body catabolizes and you end up losing lean muscle tissue along the way, and from that, one will feel drained and weaker, especially during a hard training camp. That could probably be why ODH got beat up by Ortiz as he didn't have the proper food intake (fuel) to give him the energy to spar. He was starving himself too early. It's best to starve yourself a few days before the fight as the hard part of training, all the sparring is already done, and you can focus on just making weight.

CUTTING weight, is not too harmful if done right and in moderation. For an average person with an average build, cutting no more than 10 pounds of water weight if the weigh-ins the day before is ideal. More than that, and that is dangerous and you can run into some health problems. Also you have to manipulate your sodium intake as sodium holds water.

You also have to load your body with water about 2 weeks before the weigh-in. When you keep drinking a lot of water (2 gallons a day) your body will get used to flushing water out of your body at a high rate. Then all of a sudden, you stop drinking water (maybe the day before you weigh in) and your body will still be used to flushing water out of your system at a high rate. You do some cardio with warm clothing, jump in the sauna, etc, and you will just keep sweating and sweating and before you know it, you're 10 pounds lighter. Now all you have to do is weigh in and then rehydrate for the fight.

Believe me, I'd rather cut weight for a few hours than starve myself for weeks. That is why Pac always goes into the fight the next day bigger than what he weighed in at. ADVANTAGE: Pacquiao

Informtive post, thanks bro! 8)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:44 am 
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blackheart wrote:
I dont know what Oscar has to do to make it clear that he is not having any problems with weight, here we are 17 days away from the fight, and he has already hit weight. What else is there to say? He has said he feels strong , he has said he feels comfortable. How can anyone misinterpret that? Oscar is a pro and is surrounded by specialists, they know what they are doing...very frustrating. :banghead:

You've got a point bro. When oskee says he's already @ 145, i said to myself wow!, he really has no problem making weights! Very strategic approached for team oskee! His body is training and getting used to the fighting weight required! I think it can really improve oskees condition. The question would be is team oskees preparation enough to engage the untiring dynamo that is PACMAN? And i believe at fight night he would be 154lbs max can he still execute what he has trained having that additional lbs? Let's wait and see on dec 6! Ilang tulog nalang bakbakan na! 8)

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