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I always hear people saying that lowering the guard is a bad defense for a boxer but in reality low guard is a good defense and offense to some. Why?
1. Since your gloves is nearer the opponents face, you have better chance to beat him to the punch
2. you are guarding against body attacks
3. your opponent will have have a hard time anticipating what punch you are going to throw. left or right uppercut, left or right hooks or a short jab or short straight.
4. easier to parry a punch while it is still faraway
5. easier backswing to throw a powerpunch
6. unhampered vision
7. easier to counter
boxers with low guard
Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Prince Nazeem Hamed, Goerge Foreman, yuriokis Gamboa, Drian Francisco

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only applicable when still have good reflexes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nHeCoTWD84

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..and if you're opponent have good reflexes as yours, you will eat a lot of leather all night.. with opponent with same speed is very dangerous, you way able to land some shots but for sure you received some as well..

No sober coach would encourage a boxer to adapt a low guard defense unless he's got speed, youth, superb reflexes and remarkable ring IQ. It's a risky style that defies boxing fundamentals. Even the best of them, Ali, Leonard and Roy Jones, had to suffer when father time started to remind them it was flawed without speed. Boxers who had great success with it are too few. Those who failed could fill the whole arena.

Nobody uses this technique a lot than this guy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA0jLvUx ... re=related

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this isn't a good example. Roy placed his left hand down but Tarver hit him with his left hand. This is a better example. Gatti kept is left hands low but was constantly getting smacked with his opponents' right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57w8Et1_fYM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KCd8GdR ... re=related

that (rrj's) right hand is came from low, but his reflexes no more he imediately cover his ear not his jaw

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but remember Roy Jones had been the pound ofr pound king for quite a while

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I disagree. here are some more boxers: Guillermo Regaudeux, Jack Dempsey, Pancho Villa, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, vitali klitshko. Vladimir Klitshchko .See for yourself

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Rigondeaux is young and fast. Watch him when the time comes he loses a step or two and you'll see similarities with...

How Jack Dempsey was outboxed by Gene Tunney and punished that hole he left open for himself...
How Sugar Ray Leonard was punished by Hearns' right hand and how the younger Terry Norris and Camacho breezed through that low guard.
How Sugar Ray Robinson became a stepping stone for patsies toward the end of his career.

Lucky for Vitali and Vladimir, there are no quick and gifted heavyweight challengers with the skills of Ali and Larry Holmes because it takes speed to exploit their lazy defensive guard.

What do you expect from Pancho Villa? Almost everybody was using a fencer's stance during his time. And he had losses in case u dont know.

U didnt quitely understand my point. Read again my highlighted words, that pretty sums up the essence of my post.

how many wins did they have. How many losses? You are just highlighting their losses which is on average about 10% of their fights. Even great boxers will lose at some point in time. It is very very rare for a boxer to retire without a loss. How about orthodox boxers (high guard) don't they have losses too. let me include Floyd Mayweather Jr. with a low guard stance and he is considered the best defensive boxer today.

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What if that boxer has average skills,reflexes and speed?
Ex. Arturo Gatti, Hamed when he stepped up against an elite fighter named Barrera



Against a quick-fisted and accurate opponent, your chin is something u should worry about. His punch could get there before u could raise your guard.
Ex. Roy Jones vs. Tarver, Ali vs. Frazier I, 15th round.



Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather seem to fit your description. Rare talents. So rare that nothing else around comes to mind.
Will u encourage that low defensive guard for Bam bam Rios against Juan Manuel Marquez?


How sure are u if ur opponent is as quick as Mayweather and Pacquiao? Or Yuriorkis Gamboa?


Are u speaking of boxing or tennis?


Naturally. At the expense of adding more risk for exposing your chin


That is assuming you are always against a slower opponent.
How many boxers today who are actually successful with it?
Name at least 3 boxers....
the clock is ticking...
1....
2....

kung saan ka masaya

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Floyd Mayweather is an exceptional defensive boxer. One of the best ever. A great and accurate counter puncher too.
Is there anybody out there who has, at least 70%, of his talent?

If low guard is such a reliable defense, how come nobody else is as successful as Floyd Mayweather?

Your suggestions are flawed because you are encouraging upstarts to adapt a vulnerable defense which requires great set of skills and extra ordinary reflexes. Just because the great fighters you mentioned had success with it in their prime, it follows that everybody can easily pattern such risky defense on his way to the top, or greatness for that matter. Ali, Jones, Leonard, et al...are probably less than 10% of those who dared try and fail. All for a simple reason they didnt have the speed and skills to go with it.

TS, please research the best lesson that Joe Louis learned in his knockout loss to Max Schmeling.