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 Post subject: Why don't OLYMPIC GOLD medalists always succeed?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:24 am 
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Can someone explain to me why don't OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALISTS automatically succeed as world boxing champions in the professional division?

What is the difference? Thanks.


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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:58 am 
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Because amateur boxing is very far from PRO boxing.
In the amateurs, you can have a glass jaw and have pitty-pat power and succeed b/c you don't need to hurt your opponents in the amateurs and when you are hurt, they give you a standing 8-count.
In the pros, you need to have more stamina, power and chin.
Great amateurs who were not so great as pros;
Howard Davis Jr, Paul Gonzalez, Mark Breland, Tyrell Biggs, Ray Mercer and more.


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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:14 am 
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coz they prefer medals than belts. :D

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3 rds is a world apart from 10 - 12 rds.


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I'm note sure what you mean, gold medalist do translate well to the pros oscar, pernell, evander (got robbed), ali, frazier, ray mercer, lennox lewis, foreman, sugar ray leonard, all these guys had great pro careers, even brian viloria was supposed to win gold cause he was the world amateur champ.

the olympics is truly a stepping stone.

how they are managed is the problem, david reid is a good example, i think he won silver, but man they threw him in there with trinidad and he wasn't the same after, same thing with vargas


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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:46 pm 
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babyland wrote:
Can someone explain to me why don't OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALISTS automatically succeed as world boxing champions in the professional division?

What is the difference? Thanks.

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it because that some winner should have not been declared as the winner. but because to usual bias judging, the looser have ended as the winner.


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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:04 am 
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JoeyInCali wrote:
Because amateur boxing is very far from PRO boxing.
In the amateurs, you can have a glass jaw and have pitty-pat power and succeed b/c you don't need to hurt your opponents in the amateurs and when you are hurt, they give you a standing 8-count.
In the pros, you need to have more stamina, power and chin.
Great amateurs who were not so great as pros;
Howard Davis Jr, Paul Gonzalez, Mark Breland, Tyrell Biggs, Ray Mercer and more.


How about the gloves? Iba din ba?

So it is more of having a glass jaw? I would suspect that Olympic gold medalist boxers could easily have good stamina to train and last for 12 rounds.

Si Morales, Pacquiao, JMM, Barrera, hindi naman sila Olympians di ba?


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 Post subject: Re: Why don't OLYMPIC GOLD medalists always succeed?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:14 am 
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babyland wrote:
Can someone explain to me why don't OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALISTS automatically succeed as world boxing champions in the professional division?

What is the difference? Thanks.

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it because that some winner should have not been declared as the winner. but because to usual bias judging, the looser have ended as the winner.


ala Roy Jones jr.


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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:41 am 
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babyland wrote:
Can someone explain to me why don't OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALISTS automatically succeed as world boxing champions in the professional division?

What is the difference? Thanks.


The statement is not entirely true coz there a lot of Gold Medalist who became great professional boxers.. We can go all day if we try to mention them all.

Good amateurs already have the advantage over those who have not competed or even those not so good amateurs becoz they already have the technique and knowhow on throwing punches properly..

The difference between the two really is the physical requirements in the professional ranks.. Its not just enough to have the skills and the moves.. you need also to have the toughness to last rounds, to be fouled, mauled, bullyed around, get hit often and everywhere.. In short you need to be tough.. :) that why there are some who did not make the necessary transition to professional ranks.. :smoke:



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AkoTagaNegros wrote:
I'm note sure what you mean, gold medalist do translate well to the pros oscar, pernell, evander (got robbed), ali, frazier, ray mercer, lennox lewis, foreman, sugar ray leonard, all these guys had great pro careers, even brian viloria was supposed to win gold cause he was the world amateur champ.

the olympics is truly a stepping stone.

how they are managed is the problem, david reid is a good example, i think he won silver, but man they threw him in there with trinidad and he wasn't the same after, same thing with vargas


I agree with you bro in the case of Filipino amateur boxers... Though none got the gold, our best amateur boxers do not turn pro for fear that they will only be exploited by the managers...a case in point is that of Leopoldo Cantancio, he knocks out opponents and his fighting style is suited for the pro but he didnt turn pro because of this....


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Winning the Gold Medal at the Olympic Games is a sign of something great and many Olympic Gold Medalists went on to have great pro careers. Ali, Foreman, Spinks Bros, Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar de la Hoya just to name a few. Of course there will still be exceptions. Sometimes people who succeed in the pro's without any amateur career is because they have turned pro early in their careers like Tyson and Manny Pacquiao.


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ODLH is a gold medalist right?


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ninja wrote:
ODLH is a gold medalist right?


Yes pare.. .he is! :) 1992 Barcelona Olympics if my memory serves me right.. :smoke:



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 Post subject: Re: Why don't OLYMPIC GOLD medalists always succeed?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:27 am 
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BuiLt4DaKiLl wrote:
The statement is not entirely true coz there a lot of Gold Medalist who became great professional boxers.. We can go all day if we try to mention them all.

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I said "always" or "automatically". So far, the reasons given were:

1) GLASS JAW
2) Managers
3) STAMINA (debatable since this can be trained)


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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:46 am 
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JoeyInCali wrote:
Because amateur boxing is very far from PRO boxing.
In the amateurs, you can have a glass jaw and have pitty-pat power and succeed b/c you don't need to hurt your opponents in the amateurs and when you are hurt, they give you a standing 8-count.
In the pros, you need to have more stamina, power and chin.
Great amateurs who were not so great as pros;
Howard Davis Jr, Paul Gonzalez, Mark Breland, Tyrell Biggs, Ray Mercer and more.


Mark Breland made a lot of noise and looked to be on the way to being a great pro. Not sure what happened there.


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